VISIONS AND REVELATIONS Mike Bickle with Bob Jones Kansas City, Missouri (FALL OF 1988) Transcribed from Five (1) Hour Tapes Mb: I'd like bob to share a little bit about some of his background and the things I'd like him to talk about is the two visitations that you had. One was when you were nine and one when you were thirteen and then what that did to you and then go on, just talk a minute about the army and some of your dad stuff. BJ: when i was about nine years old i was walking down a dusty road in the middle of summer in Arkansas. I saw an angel come on a white horse and when the angel came, he came to rest in the middle the road, of that dirt road and he had a great trumpet and i had never seen a silver trumpet before, but when he came close i knew who he was. I even knew that that was a silver trumpet. I knew things and i couldn't know and I'd heard them talk about when Gabriel come he would blow the horn and time would be no more and everybody's going to be burned up and~ so he put that trumpet to his lips and blew it and i got paralyzed, i was terrorized and he just looked at me and then he was gone and i stood there for quite awhile too frightened to even move and i didn't understand it in the least and I've even got courage up in the last ten years to even tell it. My life went on normal until i was thirteen. Mb: normal, you ought to hear what normal is, but 7 ahead (audience laughs). Bj: and when i was thirteen years old i was in cotton bottoms, Arkansas in the cotton fields and we were picking cotton and it was at evening and i was walking along a dirt road - i heard my name called from the cane fields. Mb: this was age thirteen now, it's four years later. Bj: and it terrorized me because i knew it was the lord. I didn't know how i knew it, but i knew the lord had called my name and again i related it to death. But I'm sure that he was calling me to death. But i didn't understand death to the old man. I didn't get so paralyzed that time, as i did, i run. I ran with everything i had home. Mb: where did you run to? Bj: i ran home and i went to bed and i covered my head up - like any good coward. When i was fifteen i was taken out of the body, i was taken before the throne, i saw things there that 50 terrorized me and frightened me it took about three months for my nervous system to settle down and i started seeking anything that would make me forget them things. Mb: like what were some of the things that you saw that caused that reaction? Bj: i saw the fear of the lord. People that have never seen him don't know the fear of that - the awesomeness of it. It is so awesome and so terrorizing that everything within you shakes and quakes and burns and i saw his glory and i saw his power and it so terrorized me that i wanted to get as far from it as i could. Mb: in what sense at fifteen years old could you see it, i mean you were taken out of the body, you stood before the lord. And what do you mean you saw the fear of the lord? I just want you to catch this because this is a real important thing that god was preparing him for. Bj: i had no idea at that time what he was even doing, but he was showing me the throne room and he was showing me a seat that i needed to set in one day and i had no understanding of these things and i knew that when you got there you were dead. So it frightened me. I didn't have the understanding, but it was a calling and i wanted to try to and get as far from 'it as possible. I had no understanding of it but i knew what i saw was the real thing and that that being there was all powerful and that he wasn't the coo that i had been taught in the baptist church. That he wasn't the god that you could stand before and have sin in your life in any way. He was also a god of judgment and when you stood before him and you had anything wrong in you, that you were going to get burned up because i burned because i had some things wrong in me. Mb: burned in terms of internally. He felt the fear of the lord shaking him inside. Bj: not only that, i mean all my bones and everything burned too. (audience laughs) i mean i hurt. Mb: so you say that you saw the throne room. The question I'm just going to ask you just like i did when i first discovered this - what did it look like. Bj: it looked like gold and it looked like light and it was a light not like the light you see here which is artificial. Here was light that went through you. It would go through you and it would show what was in you and real quick like and i wasn't that much interested in knowing what was in me. And to see it in that detail, i sure wasn't interested in it and to have to look at him, that really frightened me and if i hadn't had that guide with me to stand before me and that light, i didn't think i would have got out of there alive. Yeah. There was a guide that stood in front of me and he was like red sunglasses. And he shaded me from that light. Mb: it was an angel. Bj: yeah, that was the angel of the lord - the lord Jesus Christ Mb: so at fifteen years old is when you understood that the lord had prepared a seat for you in his purposes. That was the first time because the first two experiences at 9 and 13 you were getting a call and you were getting an induction into the prophetic ministry but you didn't understand it. Bj: right Mb: but at fifteen did you understand it or did you start? Bj: no, i thought he was calling me to death or calling me to give up sin. And i didn't want to do either one of them. (audience laughs) Mb: so what impact did that have on you at fifteen years old. Now you come` out of this experience and now you're still on that - you know. You're picking cotton - or you are on the dirt road in Arkansas what happens then? Bj: well at fifteen. After that i thought well. I better stay out of sin and so what I'll do is that i will just get into books. I'll start readin. That's what i did. I just started studying and reading and began to grow in school and getting things ready for life and trying to forget those experiences because when i remembered them experiences I'd get hot again and I'd burn and my nerves would start shakin and i would start quackin on the inside and i didn't want anything to do with that power. I was frightened of it. So i ran from it. I ran from fifteen years to - in the late 30's and i ran to the - to sin. And i tried to find peace in sin and i searched for it in every bar and every fist fight, every gambling game i could get into. I was a gambler. There even was a leader in some sin and others would follow me in whatever i meant to do, but i noticed that those i loved. If i led them the wrong way, they got in trouble where i didn't get in so much trouble. I planned it out before i went. I only got more and more miserable and I'd tried to drink to forget my misery while i was runnin, and i was the most miserable sinner i think that ever lived and while i wasn't fighting in the bar I'd be bawlin and squallin because i was so miserable. Mb: so did you have a fiesty spirit in those bars? Tell them about that. (audience laughs) the thing i wanted to know is that how far you've come by the grace of god. Because none of them were as messed up as bob was, believe me. The story is real in depth, but he doesn't want to glorify the depth of it, but he really got himself into some heavy stuff of sin and just always in street fights and bar fights and seatin people up and drinking alcohol and then some other areas too pretty heavy duty in, and i want you to know that because the lord's call was on him and the Lord didn't give up on him. Bj: i ran liquor into Oklahoma when it was dry. I had people that followed me. I was violent natured. A man pulled a gun on me behind a screen door once. I went through the screen door, he shot at me, right in my face. The gun didn't go off. I took the gun away from him and nearly killed him. A friend of mine picked up the gun, pointed it towards the ceiling, pulled the trigger and it went off. I was drunk with a bunch of marines, i was in the marine corp in California. We run off to San Monica Palisades - everybody got hurt except me, all it did with me was tear the seat of my pants gut. I begin to see that there was a purpose there that i was running from. And that there was a hand that was keeping me from .GETTIN Killed. But still i searched for peace in sin. I never found it. I decided I'd come sack after the marine corp and I'd do everything i could to get rich. Nearly made it a couple of times, too. If i hadn't had that callin on me I would have made it. Just about every time that things was going good and i could make the big killin, a hand would come down and it' would burn up over night. I'd be left broke. So me and Viola, we've known feast and famine all our lives. Like having tog much one year and nothing for a couple of years. One time i could have bought 12 acres in the center of Raytown in a shopping center right now. I was with - i had enough cash except $5,000 to buy it. I was just ready to borrow the $5,000 and something just cut it off. I look back now and the way i was going because i wanted to make enough money to where I'd never have to do anything but buy me a big bar and retire. Mb: a big what? Bj: bar. (audience laughs) and i look sack now and i praise god that his hand kept me from that sin and that that callin lifted me up because in my late 3g's my nerves went > to where i couldn't even drink anymore. Couldn't even get into sin - sin would give me a little - drunkenness would give a hour or so quietness within myself, but i got to where my nerves wouldn't let me rest. I'll tell you something. The damned can't rest and you can live without sleep, but it is hell on earth - i - my nerves went - Mb: say that again, what you said about the rest. I don't know if everybody heard that - Mb: the damned can't rest and you can live without sleep. I lived days on end without any sleep. It was hell in my mind, but my mind was clear and so i went to the psychiatrist to try to get healed because i was in bad problems then. I couldn't drink so they immediately put me on some real strong dope. Thought it would help me. Well, it didn't. All it wanted to make me do was sleep and they had to take me off of that and the lord was leading me to go to Topeka, Kansas to the veterans hospital. I went to Topeka. I signed in and i immediately run off and i got in hell again, so they took me back and i thought 'I've got to set it out.' So i walked the halls out there night and day. Mb: and what age are you at this time? Bj: in my late 30 ' s . Mb: it was after he is out of the service. Bj: yep Mb: and after years of alcoholism and street fighting and all the gambling and etc. Etc. And so now he is 50 steeped in alcoholism and trying to get free and his life is miserable, perpetual unrest hell and god's striving with him all of the time because he had a call for him. For the - literally for the nations. Bj: it was hell. And ,of all things, the doctor out there was a christian. And the first thing, he looked at me and he wasn't kind. He sez, "I'm takin your dope away." "i can't live without it." "oh yes you can, if you're gonna live, you're` gonna live without it." And so he took it away and i walked the halls day and night. I walked them for about five days and all the other doctors out there said, "you might as well put him on the strong stuff, he's found a hone, he will be here the rest of his life." You know what that christian doctor said? "no, he isn't, he's worth saving. I'm gonna save that man." And i was walkin at about noon one day and i was walkin along the hall and oh, my hands were shakin. I was walkin back and forth. He cone up and he said, "tough hunt" and i said, ..OH, its so really so tough". He says, "if i tell you to do something and i show you how to stop that shaking, will you do it without questions and continue to do it" "yes. Sir, I'll do anything to stop this shaking?" "OK, come with me." We went down to that closet and he opened it up and he brought out a mop, "mop the floors." "mop the floors! Oh, I've never done that kind of work in my life..' (audience laughs) ..Mop The floors i you said you'd do what i told you to. Try it." I went mopping the floors. You know while i mopped the floors i quit shakimg7 so i says, "i found something." Mb: so how long did you mop? Bj: every tine i started shaking. (audience laughs). Usually about midnight until about six in the morning. (audience laughs). All night long he'd mop those floors, for days. And i got a book in the mail from a christian man who had been prayin for me. And that book was 'god's psychiatry'. And it was all about the 23rd psalm. And i read the 23rd psalm and i memorized it and i read that book over and i said, "that's it, that's it. I know what is wrong with me, i am terrorized on the inside. I'm so terrorized that I'm going to hell, that i am frightened." And i began to cry out, "lord, help me. Be my shepherd." And i would just repeat that 23rd psalm over and over and over. And within about 3 days from that time, it was about 3200 in the morning and i had been mopping the floors since about 10200 at night when the rest of them went to bed. They went to bed because they gave them some pills and they could sleep. With me, they didn't knock me out and so i was tired and i just went and i sat down on the bed and i thought, "I'm just going to get off that bed I'm gonna kneel by it and repeat the 23rd psalm. I was i was repeating it, a devil come and spoke to me. I didn't have trouble seeing the devils at all. I had been agreein with them for years in any way. And this devil come and he said, "everybody has just mistreated you all your life. No wonder you are like you are. You deserve a break. You deserve to get even with them. They've got you in the veterans hospital. They've got you in the crazy ward anyway and you truly are crazy. And you know, there is about a list of 12 people that are the problems why you are here. Why don't you run away tonight and go back to town and get your gun and go kill them people and then come back and sign into veterans hospital. You're going be here the rest of your life anyway. They won't do anything to you." Mb: and so this demon was right in front of you. You could see it. Bj: oh, absolutely, i mean when you've been awake that long you won't have any problem seeing the devil. And immediately i cried out for help. "help me, lord Jesus. Help me." And the voice spoke to me and says, *i can't help you, bob, until you forgive them. Go kill them or forgive them." Man i went to my knees and i started forgiving people. I forgave those 12, i really did. Then i started with the women - going all the way back as far as i could remember in my life. And i just went right down that list as i could see names and things that cropped up within me and i begin to forgive everybody i could think of and the next thing i knew that devil was shaking me awake again and i had gone to sleep. First thing in days. And he shook me awake - i would have give anything i had for just another five minutes sleep. You have no idea - how blessed it is to sleep with a clear conscience. Mb: I'm a little tired right now. (audience laughs) Bj: i felt like that he must have let me sleep at least a minute. And that was the most precious enjoyment that i had had for years. I had slept and something was gone out of me. And then that devil come and woke me up again. And he said, "poor ole bob. You're just a born loser. You was born the son of an ignorant cotton farmer in Arkansas and you're just dumb and you're just a loser and you always will be." And, i started, "help, lord." And a voice spoke to me and said, "one of your greatest sins is self-pity. You blame everybody else for your problems, but the real problem is your selfishness." Mb: and this was an audible voice? Bj: audibly. I didn't see him, but i knew who he was. I knew he wasn't the devil. And that voice i listened to. And i went to my knees and i said, ..LORD, Jesus, if you will forgive me, I'll never let anybody give me sympathy as long as i live and I'll never give anybody sympathy as long as i live." Sympathy is agreein with their problems and sympathy is other people coming and agreeing with my problems instead of dealing with tum. And all of a sudden i woke up and i was seen on the floor and in that bed all night long and it was daylight. I had slept. When i asked the lord to forgive me the second time. See what he was dealing with me. So that i not get into self pity. I don't give it either. Mb: as you all ought to know. Bj: and the next morning I'd got maybe, well probably two or three hours sleep and i just went down the hall and i started to sing. And i found that i could whistle. And the first one i run into was that doctor. And he leaned back and just fell against the wall and looked at me and said, "hey, you come back here. What happened to 7002" and i said, "what do you think?" (audience laughs). He said. "i want to see you in my office very shortly." He says, "we're going to try you one more day. Tonight we're going to put you in charge of the padded cells and we're going to see how you do." And i was thinking, #.MAN, i was already looking forward to a night's sleep." And it sorta felt good in me. And i was going to the cafeteria because i thought i could eat. When you get in that way you can't eat. You ain't got anything in here that's not hurtin and you don't put anything here that don't hurt. I mean, you're hell on the inside and i felt pretty good and i thought i could get strength. But that night that doctor tried me. He put me on the padded cells to watch the people that was in there that had to be locked up at night. 50 1 watched over it all night long. And it really surprised me, the next day i didn't feel all that bad. He looked at me again and said, "you handled that responsibility good, get your clothes, get out of here." ..WHAT?" "you ain't found no home, you get out of here. You go get you a penny ante job that don't have any pressure on it. You work at it for a couple of months. If you have to come sack, you can, but you have answered my prayers. I've been fraying to the lord to just help me save one more man before i go home." He says, "i haven't cot long to co, my heart's gettin bad. And you're an answer to my prayer, you get out of here." Mb: and so the other doctors really believed you would be there for many years? Bj: yup, yup. Well they believed I'd be there. They would get me om full social security and all veterans benefits and 'just found a home' they said. Mb: you know the thing i wonder, i wonder how many people are in those hospitals who are prophets that when the voice came they agreed with the enemy. And they didn't - you know, you just wonder how many are called of god in those places. Bj: well, i know that a lot of them there were there because they didn't answer that call. A lot of your mentally disturbed Christians is because they would never yield and obey the spirit of cod. And that is one thing that i saw there. They were, the mental wards are full of Christians that are really born again, but won't give up that which troubles them within. But the main thing i saw there was forgiveness and just like with me, self-pity. Not taking the responsibility for your own actions. Mb: so, I've always wanted to ask' you 'this. What .SONG Did you whistle? When you was in the hallway, I'd like to hear it - Bj: the song i was singing for about the first six months. Everything that i did was along this line, '.THE Lord is my shepherd". (whistle and audience laughs). Mb: I've just wondered if i could get that officially, I've always wanted him to whistle that tune whatever it was. Okay, so you meet the lord and then you're in the baptist church for a few years and he goes through an experience of not being sure of his salvation. He got saved about five times over the next couple of years. Bj: oh, much more than that. Every time they give the salvation call in the baptist church, i stood up. (audience laughs) and so he would read the word even night and day. Bj: i read the word night and day for four years. Mb: then the lord gave you the assurance of his salvation. Bj: yup Mb: and then it's august 1975, august 7th and you're at the, you're down at the lake fishing and you're driving home - then what happened? Bj: and - a spirit come all over me. A holy spirit, i mean i knew it was the holy spirit and i began to prophesy. Mb: and had you every prophesied before that time, that you're aware of? Bj: i, in the praise before that, i would have visions and things would come before my mind and words would be spoke to me like, oh, some words like "Patty Hurst will be taken captive within 30 days". And i would say, "what do you people think of this?" And thirty days from that day she would be captured. And we all began to, 'look at what is wrong with me." Mb: and you were just in the baptist church, but you would tell them that? Bj: yup Mb: did you tell tell them that publicly or kinda at the coffee break? Bj: oh. I told them that publicly. (audience laughs) well i mean, the baptist church that i was in, some of them were spirit-filled. So they listened to it. They looked at it. And so my baptist brothers that i was with, i would tell them and they looked at it too. One thing, that 1 never got persecuted or rejected for anything i did in the baptist church because they seen me raised up. Mb: that's good. Bj: the baptists never cone down on me. Its the spirit-filled body that always clobbered me. The baptist brothers and sisters and my pastor that, and baptized me and the elders that watched over me. Never once did they persecute me in any way. Mb: so you had a few experiences - not a lot of them. I mean like what - Bj: well it's just strange things that was happening like that. I didn't understand and it would always begin when they started liftin their hands - which made me uncomfortable - and when they started praying in them tongues - which really bugged me. And when they'd get into that praise and songs is when my mind would go into a realm and things would start writing on it. And I'd, when they was doing that, why i would say. ..THE Blood of Jesus over me. The blood of Jesus over me, the blood of Jesus Christ over me." Mb: they were words of knowledge. The spirit of god was giving you visions and words and you were rebuking him. Bj: well, i wasn't rebuking him, they ain't going hurt them if you put the blood of Jesus over them. Mb: but they kept coming anyway. Bj: yeah, they kept coming anyway. Mb: the more he fled the blood, the more Jesus gave him words. It kept growing worse. (audience laughs) Bj: and they baptized me and just a week later some friends of mine that were spirit-filled, we were down to the lake and they wanted to lay hands on me, so i would get the baptism of the holy spirit. I kept tellin them "no, I'm not interested." And he said, "well, let us just lay hands on you" and I'd think, 'well, he's a really good ole friend of mine, he's been a brother of mine and we're the best of friends. I'll pacify him." Mb: and this is '74, right? Bj: yep Mb: 1974 Bj: so they lay hands on me and I'm thinkin, "well, we'll get this over with in five minutes and we'll go eat." (and laughs) and so they started laying hands on me and i think, 'well, two minutes is gone, I've only got three minutes to fut up with this junk' - and then they started pleadin the blood over me - just like what i did "we plead the blood of Jesus Christ over him" and well, it was, all of a sudden somethin warm started runnin down on my head and my neck and my back and my mind started doin that strange thing again--it went into the realm that it saw in technicolor and not only saw in technicolor, but heard voices speak and said, "look'., And as i looked i saw a landscape and it was in technicolor. I saw the sun and the sun was like in the last hour of the day. And the voice spoke to me and said, "surely it will be to where no man can go into the labor fields, pray that the lord raises up laborers now. For the harvest is ready." And i come back out of that. Mb: these people are still praying over you, right? Bj: well, they'd quit praying because i was doing something real strange. I was speaking in tongues and not only speaking, i started singing in them. Mb: singing? Bj: yeah. Mb: that is where you started singing prophecy? Bj: well, it was, i backed off of it for awhile, but i started singing and i started really doing all of it and i just kept it up. And i prayed to the lord, "lord, i don't want that exuberance that these people get into. I don't want no more highs or lows, you know what i got into when i was drinking. I want the ever walk." And boy, that's all i had, i just had the visions and the even walk and i just told people before things happened. Mb: lord, give us the even walk. Amen? (audience laughs) Bj: and so, about three months later, i said, "lord, i think i got robbed. Everybody else is talking about their experience when they get baptised in the holy spirit. I wouldn't mind havin just a measure of that joy." For about three months my foot didn't touch the ground. (audience laughs) Mb: ya know, I'm going to tell you something about bob, ever since that time in '74 when he was filled with the holy spirit he began to see the technicolor visions and the lord begin to visit him, since that time he has seen many, many times five ten visions and dreams a night. And when i first met him, i couldn't hardly comprehend that. I said, "five or ten a night!" He said, "oh yes, all the time. Sometimes more, sometimes three or four." I remember one tine in 1984 bob came to me and he said, "soy, i don't know what is wrong," he says, "you pickin anything up about me?" And i says, you know this is a new kind of way to do this, i said, "no, I'm not pickin up anything about you," i said "why?" He said, "boy, am i in sin, can you see anything. I said, "no", he says, "I'm checking, am i quenching the spirit?" He said, #.BOY, the lord's cut me off... He said, quote, unquote, '.THE Lord just shut the whole thing down.#. I said, "what are you talking about." He said, "he just shut the whole thing down". He said, "i haven't had visions in two nights." He said, " he's shut the whole thing down." (audience laughs) do you remember that? Bj: no, i don't think so. Mb: two nights! Two nights! And the whole thing was shut down, i said, '.OH Lord, help us." (audience laughs) Bj: when i was comin back from the lake in '75 Mb: august '75 Bj: the 6th of august '75. 6th of august has been a epa! Important date a few times in there. And around the first of august is usually a time the spirit moves. And the holy spirit fell on me then and he didn't leave me and i begin to prophecy. And the first thing i begin to prophecy about was abortion. It was so horrible that i was prophesying it and seeing it and it was making me sick. And the holy spirit was telling me in the different ways that men would advance abortion. One of the first ways i saw is like taking a sword and cutting an innocent baby all to pieces. Now that's the way they did, slaying a baby alive and the lord was speaking in the prophecies that that's what the women in the old testament did when they ate their own fruit of their womb. And then he showed me that they would pour acid on a baby, a live being - it would be burned alive like with acid and he showed me the different ways that they would, the technology would increase in abortion. And he showed me that one of the last ways they would do, a pregnant woman could just take a pill and she wouldn't be pregnant anymore. The baby would just be pushed out. They've nearly got that technology here now. And that baby would push out and that baby would literally starve to death and nearly immediately and then the rest of the prophecy the churches didn't like it. Many of them told me . . Well they all told me . . "don't bring them, we don't wanna hear that." And the last of the prophecies was, "as you destroy the firstborn and you destroy the fruit of the womb, so will you be destroyed." There is a judgement upon this nation because of the abortion. We are being cut to pieces with knives every day. Acid is burning the minds up of people all over right now and i want to tell you, pills is killin them every day. Mb: are you talking about the whole drug wars that are going on - increasing - it's what's happening through the drug culture, that's increasing with all the fights, the wars and the murders, it's what's happening at a beginning level at this point, right now. Bj: and the judgements that's in this nation is according to the sins. And at this time, too, along with this. I was bringing back, then it was sort of popular to have a homosexual in your midst and they were justifying homosexuality and bringing it in to where it is normal. Receive it as a normal thing that you just go through. Well, it isn't normal and once you justify a homosexual, you damn him to hell forever, but you stay. Against this homosexuality and those that want free, will get free, and 1 was bringin a word there would be homosexual diseases that cannot be cured - some you here have heard me speak this a - for 10 or 15 years and then they won't be popular to set in your midst and there'll be venereal diseases that can't be cured, just after that. Herpes became real popular and some of the last prophesies - in the end times, these diseases will be so rampant it will be real popular to be faithful to your married partner - Mb: it will be popular to be faithful. Bj: and safe Mb: okay, so you're driving back from the lake - the spirit of god falls on you - august 6, 1975 - you begin to see all of these things as he's driving. About abortion - it just starts opening up right in front of him while bets driving - he, goes back home and then what happens? Bj: then i began to call people and tell them about them about them - pastors-all that i could - been telling people about that ever since it happened - the next morning, a devil came and spoke to me again, just said, took me 4 years of readin the bible night and day before the lord lit my light to where i could see i was saved - and when i have enough salvation, when i had enough faith to see i was saved, i didn't have any trouble at all on anything else. I don't have no trouble talking to angels. I don't have any trouble rebuking devils. If god has the power to save my soul, then all these other things to me are just real easy to move into. I tell you, getting to that knowledge and that place that i know i was saved was the hard thing with me. Moving in prophecy and all these other things, once you gotta. I'll tell you, the strongest faith you can have is salvation faith and I'm still growing in salvation faith, but my soul got saved totally. When i told viola, she said, "but of course you've been saved for four years, man don't do things you do without being saved..# Well i said i wanted to be sure. And I'll tell you, i never got saved in the baptist church. I got saved when Jesus spoke to me and i got it clear and i didn't have any trouble hearin what them devils was saying either. And i told that devil when bk told me that if kept prophesying about what was going to be concerned with abortion and homosexuality, he said, "if you keep speaking it, I've got the authority to kill you." I told him, "get lost." Mb: now, we're talking about a demon appeared in the room, and spoke to him pack to face. So it is not kinda a picture in his mind, he's talkin about an actual encounter broader when he was baptised in the spirit he began to move in the discerning of spirits instantly. He could begin to see angels and devils right, i mean, - he could see them in the spirit realm just like you can see us sitting up here. So this devil is in front of him talking to him. He is having a conversation. _ Bj: yup. He told me the next time that i prophesied and' told anybody about it, he would kill me. He said, "if you. Knock that off we'll move sack into all the signs and wonders you want to. You can heal people and you can prophecy day and night if you want to, if you leave these two subjects alone." Mb: abortion and homosexuality? Bj: yup. Abortion and homosexuality. Immorality is what he was really saying. And he was saying. "you know the way you were, you liked the girls, we'll get you a couple of spiritual wives too." Mb: that demon told you - Bj: yeah, offered me some real goodies. "ah, you like fancy cars - we'll see that you get good offerings. If you'll only back up from these two things." And i said. "you get lost - it was too hard getting here to back up." (audience claps loudly). Mb: you know, i think we see, it's obvious the priority of god's heart about those two subjects. He says, '.MOVE In miracles, prophecy, touch people, big offerings, the people like you, the church accepts you. Increase your ministry, fine, we'll give that to you - don't touch those two subjects." And that should alert us as to the strategy of the powers of darkness around the subject of abortion and immorality. Go ahead. Bj: you know, i think abortion and immorality are, they're the same sins. They are all cause for the same sin. So, i told him, "I'll show you." I just dialed up some person i know and told him what i just heard. Mb: is the demon still watching you? Bj: yeah. Well, you gotta show him who's boss. Mb: so you get the telephone and you call somebody. Bj: yup. I was telling him - i told him go to hell if you want to know what i told him. (audience claps and laughs) Mb: still had a little of that marine in you - didn't you? (audience laughs) Bj: you better believe it, did for a long time. Mb: i know ha - ha - ha Bj: and so he left when i made the call. So me and my son, we were doing tree work and i went out to spray. I was gone about five minutes and i found out that i ought have took that devil a little more seriously. Because boy, i started to hurt and from my waist down begin to 8urn and to hurt and every muscle in my legs began to cramp and i turned back around and come hone and things got worse. And i went to the doctor and the doctor said, "get him in the hospital. I don't know what's wrong with him, but he's in bad shape." I knew what was wrong. And i said, "the lord will deliver me. I don't want to go to no hospital. If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna go home to die." So we went home. The doctor says, '.YOU Better take these pain pills." And gave me some pain pills. I went hone and oh, the pain was really bad and i thought .I'LL Take one' and i took one and the pain was real Bad. And i said, "if one will do any good, two will do better." So i took me another one and man, it just got worse and i was putting the third pain pill in my mouth when blood started coming out my mouth and my nose. Every time my heart beat it'd come out, like that. And i got a wet towel and wrapped it around and i said, "man, I'm a lot worse than i thought i was." And i put viola out of the bedroom and i wrapped the towel around my face and i just fell on the bed. Mb: the blood was just hemorrhaging out of his nose - every time his heartbeat. This demon came at and actually touched him right where, you know, right where the whole abortion process - came and just touched him right here. Bj: never thought of that, but that's the truth. That's where he touched me. 1 just turned as hard as a cramp from there on down and man, it was horrible pain and i laid there and boy, that pain was terrible. Then all of a sudden, the pain was gone. And i was in a dark place and i looked around and i could see that i was in a cave and i looked down there - many years ago, and then my thoughts were - "oh, lord, did i get my robe clean? Did i have enough time?" And there was a man that walked beside me and he said, "you can look now, bob, and see- and i looked down and my robe was like crystal light - there wasn't no spots of darkness on it - and i begin to cry, '.LORD God, you're faithfulness, you've brought me out of the bottom of the cesspool and you've kept me - I'm comin home and I'm comin home clean. And i drew closer to the light and then i thought, "lord Jesus, here is a man that really has it made, I've got it over and i am clean and I'm comin home." Then i saw other men and women of different ages in front of me and as they'd come to him, he'd reach out and grab em and kiss em and it was like two big ole doors right here in his heart and it'd be just like that, and they was gone -they was in his heart - and just as soon as he was grabbin he's gone and i looked to the side and there was another row of people - about 97 of em eastward of us - and they were bound - many of em were like mummy clothes and they were wrapped in dollar bills and they were wrapped in all manner of different things - some of em was even wrapped in like green yards - that had deem their god on the earth - whatever their god on the earth had been is what they were wrapped in and they would look at this beauty and this beautiful Shekinah glory and their minds i could see were totally clear - and they knew all things clearly - but they were on an elevator and an escalator going down like into a cold storage place and they would look at that and their mouth would drop and they would see whom they had rejected and they went down into that place and they went there forever - they would never again see that beautiful man or any of the light that was in him and i looked at them, even as i was lookin at him and i was thinkin "i won't have to look at that no more, I'm next" and i think he'll reach out and he'll take me and, boy! I'm coin home" - and he didn't i he put his hand up and he said, "you go back" - "lord, i don't want to! That's 700081" (laughter). "go back, because there's one thing you really sincerely had a desire to see, souls birthed into the kingdom, the baptist church implanted that into you and it's truly a thing that's in your heart, go back and touch some of the leaders of my early church and bring them and see that they dwell in the place where that they can get the truth - I'm going to bring over a billion souls unto myself in the last day. Go back and touch the leaders so they can bring 'em in" - Mb: okay, I've got two things to ask you before that, what do you mean the leaders of the early church? It can be confusing. Bj: the last day church Mb: okay, the last day church. Bj: the last day church is being birthed now out of the old church and the old leadership is coning to an end and the new young leadership is being raised up to reign over an end-time church that will bring forth the bride - he's not even dealing with the bride yet, he's got to get him a church right $0 he cam get the fruit of the bride - your children - my bank account. My grandchildren - will be the bride - you've gotta have the church first in the right foundation - that's what he said - "come sack and touch those that'll be the right foundations." Mb: you've gotta have leaders before you can have a church. Bj: that's right Mb: and a church before you can have that other group that's full of glory - Bj: right, and so if the church could get a vision of what hell is, it's just as real as heaven. Mb: okay, now that was my second thing, we've only got two or three minutes on the tape - talk about the guy you saw in hell and what that did to your heart and then we'll 8reae the tape and come dace and say what happened when you came dace to your body, when the lord said, "co dace" - Bj: well, the lord told me to go back for souls - he was coin to bring a billion and i said, "I'll go dace for souls". I wouldn't go dace for anything else, but I'd go back for souls - at a later date, the lord took me to hell - i had warned a young man - he was 24 years old, he stood about 6 foot 4, he weighed a8out 235 founds and he was as beautiful a specimen of man as you'd ever see - the lord told me to go warn him because he'd left his wife and he was living with a RLDS priest. Mb: and was he a believer? Bj: he said he was and he said he was a believer in the RLDS church and i went to warn him that he had got into sin and that he should stop it and he said, "I'm drinkin every night, I'm runnin around with different women every night and when i get tired of it, I'm gonna go dace home. My wife, she's left the RLDS church, she's went and joined that cra2y bunch you're with and she's 8eginning to speak in tongues and I'm going to totally Break her and when I'm tired and want to rest, I'm gonna come back and she'll never follow after you again - or any people like you - and i didn't have any more answers because I'd warned him he was in sin and he was in danger and he was saying, "what could i possibly be in danger of? I'm in perfect health." And so i left and as i left i repented, i said, ..LORD, forgive me. I have failed this vision totally." The lord spoke to me and said, "that'll de his last witness." Mb: he's 24 years old? Bj: yep - a8out nine months later i read in the paper that this young man all of a sudden had got a cold an had died. Two days later, the lord came and took me out of the body and we went down into one of the most dreary, dreadful places I've ever been, it was like a place like a void, it had no top, bottom or nothin you could see - it was like black auto smoke and we went deeper and deeper into the depths and as we came i organ to hear a voice speak and that voice just said over and over, "but the doctor said I'd de dray and that priest said everything was okay with me." And i saw a macrame basket and it was swinging like this and the lord took me in front and that young man's head was in it - that's all he was - he didn't have anything to turn his head. He didn't have anything to see and he didn't have any hope and over and over he was repeating what he had just came through and what had been in his mind - it says, '.THE Worm will never die. And over and over through all eternity that young man will say, "but that priest said i was okay and that doctor said it was just a small thing and that I'd de made well right away." Mb: and so he was just swinging in that basket? Bj: yeah Mb: he said that his worm would never die? Somebody said the word, that means your consciousness - you're eternally conscious forever - swinging in that basket, that guy was accusing the people that lied to him forever and forever and forever - that's when you begin to get a real burden for souls. Bj: and so, the lord spoke to me and says, ..LOOK At bin." And i said, "why have you brought me here, lord?" "for you to see his blood is not on you, you .CARRIED Him the message, that was all you were meant to do, you warned him." Mb: it's august 7th, the lord said, "go back." Bob said. "I'm a man that has it made." He says, .'I'M Sending you back for souls. I'm sending you back to touch a little bit of the leadership" - because god's leadership obviously is worldwide - "I'm going to let you touch a little portion of it, to build faith in em because I'm going to bring a billion souls." Why did the lord allow the enemy to touch you like that? Why did the devil get to come and to touch you to kill you? Or do you have any understanding? Bj: well, for one thing, i was standin against some real strong powers and i didn't have any intercession behind me - and another thing - i was totally ignorant and i was rebuking it out of my faith, dot i feel i was without maturity. Mb: .AND Without a covering? Bj: and without any covering whatsoever. Mb: you know, that just emphasizes the need of being involved in the local body in intercession because you know, there's so much happens without covering like that - he was talking to me up there before the meeting about the necessity, just of some fresh things the lord gave him, just recently about intercession and covering right now - and the need to be involved in a body of believers and have intercession going on - okay - so here you are - you're coming back now, your 8ody's still in that bed in independence, Missouri - in that little house and it's basically dead, as far as, i mean it's not going - so his spirit now - he's just confronted the lord and now he's coming back okay - take off now - Bj: so i came back in the bedroom and i looked at that body wrapped in that towel - and that had really hurt when I'd left it - and i didn't want to go back in, but there were two great angels that stood there and they were standing and their heads were bowed and they were prayin for me and i didn't know they did that - and there was a black angel behind them that had touched me and they wouldn't let him touch me no more and i looked at him, he saw me and he left - - - and when he left, the two angels they turned to one another and they began to prophecy to one another. Mb: okay, now i want to get this, so bob's still in his bedroom, hovering over and looking at his body, looking at the angels and as he's said so many times, "oh, lord, I'm not going back in that body, I'm not doin it!" So, hews still in the spirit, watching all that's happened, looking at himself, and he hears these angels talk. Bj: and the first angel began to prophecy and he said, "look, it shall begin in Kansas city" and i looked and i began' to see arrowhead stadium, which was called Truman sport complex and the other angel said, "yes, it began on the streets of Kansas city in..THE Beginning." And when Pentecost fell in Topeka, where i was in the hospital at, a man was prayed for in Topeka and he come to the streets of Kansas city and as he was on the streets of Kansas city, a miracle happened in the 1900's, it's where Pentecost really began. Mb: from about 1906. Bj: and so, as i watched, those angels said, "look, they're comin, and they'll be able to drive to this Truman sport complex within an hour from anyplace in Kansas city." Well it's really easy for you to do it now, but you ought to of seen here in '7s - all the streets and everything was tore up and it would take you an hour just to get downtown. But when it happened in '77 you could do it. And the other angel said there would be 50,000 people that shall meet here out of the denominations and they shall lift their hands in a unity that has not been seen before unto heaven. And as they 010, it was like power come out of their hands and it began to shoot holes in the darkness of the second heaven. It was like rays of sunlight begun to come down through those holes that those so,000 people shot in those heavens. Then the other angel began to prophecy again and said "yes, that is just a tithe, that is 102. Over a half a million of them will meet in agreement for the nation." Then the other angel, he began to prophecy and said, "yes, and as it will begin there, so will it begin in the heart of this city and in the heartland." And i looked downtown and i saw around 15th and truth - it was like a great atomic bomb went off. It was like a great bolt of light was put over that place and i thought, "oh, no, we're going to be bombed with atomic warfare." But the angel said, "look* and as i looked people were, people that this light touched would just start to dance and sing and twirl and other people within a block or so of it it didn't even affect. But i saw this thing. It exploded and went all over the world and it went at the speed of light all over the world and it affected everybody that way. And the angels began to speak and said, "it shall begin here as a great explosion. A great explosion of light. The second Adam's light. More powerful than any atomic bomb you will ever see." And he said, "as it shall begin in the heartlands, so has it always began in the heart of a man. And it is beginning in the heart of men - this very day. You're to stay in Kansas city, because this is where you're to be and this where I'll bring the body that you are to touch." In the years that passed. Without that word, i would have sure left this town. And the first thing that took place in 1977 at Truman's sports complex. Why Truman? Because a mar by the name of harry Truman in '48 agreed with god and scripture and said that Israel should be a nation. He 010897 intend to, it's just that he had a Jewish friend and that Jewish friend got on the plane and went to D.C. In '48. He had been his partner here and had a talk with him and harry Truman give him orders to recognize Israel immediately. And when he did that, god put honor to his name for simply agreeing with Israel's purpose. The christian church that has been raised up today has two purposes - salvation and Israel. The reason that the name harry Truman will be remembered in the last day church is because he agreed with the purpose of Israel. So, the first one took place in '77. They were 50,000 people that come to arrowhead stadium. They lifted their hands and many of them. I doubt if they even really know what they actually done, to the power of the second heaven then. But they started to break through. And with me, as with all prophets, when i went to a church three days later after that experience and i prophesied all these things - and i wanted to repent two weeks later because everyone of them hadn't happened. I learnt different now. The first prophecy didn't even happen for two years. The second prophecy didn't happen for five years. Washington for Jesus in 1980. The paper said there was a third of a million people there and I've been satin for five years that it would be half a million. I got om my knees before the lord and i said, "lord, where did i miss you at? You told me half a million." The lord spoke to me and said, #.WHO Do you believe, the papers or me?" (laughter, clapping) I'm coin tell you, there was half a million people at Washington for Jesus. The last of the prophecy, it just now, even a lot of it hasn't come into being. The spirit of the lord is just moving now, in this town after all those years. Beginning to bring the body in and the people in. He said he is going to anoint like an explosion. An explosion will absolutely come in praise. And that praise will go throughout the land. Praise clears the mind and reveals the Shekinah glory of God. And for years we've known that the glory will come in praise to strengthen the body so we might bring those who are called to salvation in - so i have remained here and I've waited and I've spoke, when i came back i began to speak immediately. I want to tell you something. After the angels quit prophesying. There were two large angels - i didn't know who they are, but i do now. Every time the lord has used me where somebody say that they had gone on and they wasn't in the body anymore. I pray for them and they come back and were healed. They saw them two big angels. A man once even called them great big nurses. There was two nurses at his resurrection too. There were two great angels at his resurrection. Those resurrection angels are around today and they are gettin ready to come to where real ministers of god begin to pray and the power of god will be revealed. So, i thought sure if i had to go back into that body layin on the bed that I'd be healed. I wasn't. I wasn't healed at all. I had to go back into that thing and the second i went back into that body it started hurtin just as bad as it had. And it was about 3:00 in the evening when i went back in and I'll tell you that pain was as bad as the day - the moment i died. And i was settin there and i was crying, "help, lord, you sent me sack, hep me." And it was about 4:35 i heard a man and a wife that i know that are pastors. They come in and said, "brother Jones is sick. Let's start to pray." They begun to pray for me and i heard their prayers real clear and the pain went down. And others began to call and began to pray. The pain got less and less as they prayed. And about 2:00 that night the last one that was prayin for me quit and i thought, '.OH, boy, here cones hell now ~ I'll really be in for it." I heard an alarm go off and i saw a woman i knew just like i was in a room and she got up, an old woman - she was a widow woman, and she had to work the next day. She had to work Saturday. She worked in a department store. She got up at 2:00 and began to pray. I went to sleep. She had to quit praying and go to work at 6:00. And when she quit prayin i woke up. I had slept and i know what power that prayer's got in it. It keeps you alive. So all day they prayed for me. Every time they prayed for me i got better. People cone over and prayed for me and the minute things would happen or ball games would come on that Saturday, the prayer would go down and my pain would go up. We agreed, some of the pastors that was over that evening, we agreed that I'd go to church the next day. So, Viola, she got up at 9:00 on a Sunday morning - because it started on a Friday - all day Saturday i laid there - many of the church i know come and prayed - Saturday night they prayed for me and i agreed that I'd go to church Sunday. So at 9:00 she said, "can you get up? We'll go to Sunday school." I said, "I'm worse, ism shelli\ up worse." By the way, when this attacked me everything from here down quit \orrin and cot as hard as a rock. I have no idea what i was attacked by. And i said, "I'm swelling worse and I've turned up the heat pad." I'd turned it up as high as i could get it to where it would blister me. But I'd rather have that heat on that blister to ease some of the pain that was in my stomach. And there wasn't anything that would ease that pain but intercession. And so at 10:04 i was lookin there and watching the minutes go by and it was hftt . And at l0:05 there wasn't any warm feeling, anything that i could speak of at all, except the greatest feeling that i ever had come over me. I felt normal. I was normal. It took three days after that for the poison to pass out of my body, but i was instantly healed. Just like that without any feelings whatsoever. I just felt like it had never happened. I immediately got up and went to church and testified of it. Brought all of these prophesies that i've just spoke here this day. Brought them through the years - they just came. Everything that i saw there has happened except the last of it. There is going to be like a great outpouring, like an atomic blast. There was a movie called, "the day after". I saw that thing. It showed Kansas city and Topeka, Kansas being bombed. That was exactly the counterfeit of what i seen. I saw the body op Christ coming together in a unity and a praise like the world has never seen. They saw the destruction coming like I've never seen. I saw the glory coming to destroy the kingdom of darkness just lie the world has ever seen. (all the people clap). Mb: Ok. I'm going to sum up what happened to him. I've heard it so many times and you can comment a time or two because there is an element or two that he missed. So he comes back in the body. It is august 7, 1975 and he just got through prophesying against abortion. You remember that. That's when he started his prophetic ministry in a whole new dimension. It was at that time. So he comes back. He sees the two eight foot angels talking to. One another. They didn't even recognize bob's presence. I've heard him say it several times. It was like he was eavesdropping on them. A big black spirit was behind him trying to get to touch bob's body again, trying to get at it, but the two angels were guarding it. Bob looked down at his body and said, "i'm not going back in that thing again." And he hears them talking to one another. And the one angel said to the other, "there is going to be a great outpouring of the spirit of god." And that's when the other angel says, "when will it be and where will it start?" And he said that, "as revival always starts in the heart of a man, so also I'm going to begin an outpouring in the heart of this nation and it will be as the natural bread of the earth," (you talk about that for a second, I'll just leave that with you.) He said, "a 500 mile radius - so also spiritual bread will come." Now it is important to get a perspective on this because it is not the end-tine movement that begins in Kansas city - it is a stream of the end-time movement. A big difference because there is going to be a number of movements. I don't mean hundreds, but i don't know what the number is, but John Paul said the lord told him that 12 major streams that are going to begin in America - we don't know about the ones beginning in other places - 12 major streams that will begin in America that will touch the nations of the earth. And a major stream is in reference to the number of people it touches. It is talking about in terms of size. And what the lord was telling bob that it is not the move of god on the earth would start in Kansas city - but there would be a stream that would begin in the heart of the nation - a movement. And he began to talk to him and he said, "I'm going to make you a seer for that movement." Although bob had been a seer for other groups as well. But his primary calling was to be a seer for the movement that would begin in the heart of the nation and the lord gave him 12 signs that would verify the truth op that. And those 12 signs would happen in the natural so that the truth of the outpouring of the spirit - he could believe it. The first sign he said, "50,000 will gather." And that was the arrowhead stadium catholic charismatic thing in '77. He said, ..AFTER That, it won't be 50,000 it will be 500,000 in the nation's capital." He said, "for this move that begins in this city will touch the nation as well. And that will be a sign. You will see a gatherin in the city and one in the capital which speaks to the nation." And that was only in reference to this particular movement because a number of other movements will start in that city and touch the nation as well and I'm sure they have visions about Washington D.C. Which are representative of the nation and not that city. Most more times than not. And so he gave twelve different signs. One was mt. Helen erupting. He began to talk to him about that. So bob goes back into his body. Three days he is not healed. He agonized in pain - he couldn't understand why. He gets mfa! Ed, goes to church Sunday. He gets up and says, "50,000 are going to gather in Truman's sport complex" - that is arrowhead stadium it was named after Truman - "50,000 people are gathering." The little church he is at says, "what?" Because he thought it was going to happen immediately. He says, "then right after that there will be 500,000 in the nation." They said, "what?" A couple of years go by and they don't understand it. Because it is five years later before that ever happens - Washington for Jesus. Now though god had many reasons for the Washington for Jesus, he was using that event - he was using it as a confirmation to bob. It wasn't i mean the whole experience wasn't for this purpose, but it was to be a sign to him because the lord was showing him the future. He said, "I'm going to show you twelve signs." One was mount St. Helen's. He began to talk about a great volcano erupting and it never happened for a few years. So the people began to call him a false prophet because he didn't know there was time lags in the things that he saw. He was telling everybody - going around saying everything. Let me say again there is a movement - one of (John Paul says 12) a major movement that is going to begin in this city. There is ll other cities - if the number 12 is right - he is the only one that has had it. We haven't had that number 12 confirmed by revelation, but it sounds like a good number i like it. But i think the sense of it 15 true although we are waiting for every fact to be confirmed by two witnesses. We are waiting for a confirmation of that before we speak it adamantly. But there will be also a number of minor movements - significant, but minor because they will only affect maybe la, 20 or 309000 people. Major movements will touch tens of millions. And he said, "you will see a movement in the heart of this nation that will have a global outreach to the glory of god." Then he showed him the exact picture of what was to take place on T.V. On .'THE Day after" when the bomb hit two places, Kansas city and Washington, D.C. Was the two places the bomb hit exactly like his vision and the white light that was radiating through the city in the spirit was the exact picture of the white light on the television screen. I remember where i was at in Washington with a group of people and i got up and went and talked to sob afterward. I called him apart and said, "bob, is that what you sa\tea because when that white light was radiating on that T.V. Screen and most people saw it - 18 788 ratings afterwards said that it was the most watched T.V. Show in history up to that point in time. So I'm sure most of you saw that because it was so advertised. That 10 to 15 second scene where the white light went right through the city bob said, "that's exactly the vision i saw right in front of me was that white light. It was exactly that vision." He said the lord is speaking in the natural though they don't understand it - it is a counterfeit because the lord means it for good and they showed it for evil. The second bomb was in Washington, D.C. And which was parallel to the vision so much. The thing that i found interesting about that vision - somebody said that white light went radiating through the city and the people that it would touch, gold be filled with the glory of god and they would dance. You know the dance was spoke of at that point of time in that vision. They would Be filled with glory, but he said the thing he couldn't understand is how that white light filled the city, but thousands of people even in the midst of the explosion in the spirit didn't even know a move of god was going on in the city. Thousands were going on about their business and someone would say, "what do you think about the things happening in the spirit." They would say, "we don't even know there is a white light in the city." What do you mean, "the spirit of god in the city?" And he said it was very confusing to him that something that explosive could happen and people in the city not even know about it. I don't understand that fully. This was a reference concerning this movement that the lord talked to us so many times about because the great thing that the lord sent bob to do was to get us to believe in a movement that would have a global dimension and our desire to have faith for the movement - he never ever wanted us to think that this movement was the movement. Big difference. It is not the movement. Quoting John Paul again, "there is 11 other movements that will be just as mighty that will touch the earth in terms of numbers." And the lord told bob that we are to cross pollinate with those movements. We are to serve them. They would serve us. And that the movement that we were responsible to be involved in would begin in Kansas city, but it would touch many many cities in America. Many cities would accept .THE Promises of this movement because god ordained them for those cities though it began in this city and many nations would come under the promise and anointing of this movement. That is just to give you a little perspective. Now talk about th3 500 miles and the natural food and stuff like that. Bj: in this vision, the heartland vision, this city here that i was to remain in would become a shipping point. It would ship the word of god with the natural bread of god and the natural grain. It would be a piace of releasing natural grain all over the world with the spiritual bread or the $?RITUAL Grain - both was to go. There would be a natural release of natural grain at the time the explosion would come, because great famines would be on the world and Kansas city and the area around here within the 500 mile radius would have rain. And it would be a time of great weather pattern changes and this would be a grain center and we would be feeding people as we gave them the words of life, too. And both things was to leave here. And i saw that within a 500 mile radius and i know I've looked at it and I've heard people tell me this, that most of the surplus food that is grown in the world today is grown in a 500 mile radius of where you set right now. I've asked the lord many tines how this could be and the lord is saying this word to me over and over, "it will be because those that pray will receive. And those who don't, won't. Prayer, intercession will begin to release rains and mercy and grace." And therefore he is raising up his people to pray so that the rain will come and therefore he's going to have rain within a 500 mile radius of here - just because the body of Christ will mature to that place where they can ask and believe and receive. So the natural bread and the spiritual bread will go out, because this shall be the heartland. This is - it is pretty' close to the heart of the united states. But that light, when it came - i saw it explode here in this city - but it went at the speed of light up throughout the whole world. If you want to know how long that would take for it to go around the whole world, just blink your eyes. That is how quick. Because when it comes and the lord moves into grace, it is worldwide. Mb: now the angel's talking. They are talking to each other. Here's these 12 - we haven't told you the other one. . But we told you two or three about mt. St. Helen's, Washington for Jesus, the stadium filled, the grain, he is talking about the worldwide famine that is going to be coming in the days ahead in the '90's at the turn of the century and the intercession that god would see to it - that the lord would set his heart to raise up intercessors in the heartlands of America - in this 500 mile radius. He said that the lord would begin to train them even in the early days. That is why we can not despise this hard early days of faithfulness in intercession because the mature intercession will only come to those who are faithful before the anointing in intercession. So it is very important, in this region and not that god won't do intercession in other places, but he promised him, but he didn't say he wouldn't raise up intercession like that in other places, but he promised him that he would do it here. It was a statement of what he would do here, not what he wouldn't do in other places. Bob doesn't know what god will do in many places. The lord doesn't tell min. He says, "it is none of your business, you are called here. I'll tell the prophets there what I'll do there, but don't receive that as a word of limitation in other places." Bj: amen. Mb: so the intercession has to come forth. The lord said he would see to it that intercessors would se trained in faithfulness and a lot of us understand that particular call. So, the angels are talking and they tell you about the grain. Right? They actually said it. What are the words they actually said to you or to each other? Bj: they were speaking about, "it must always begin in the heart of a man. When one man begins to agree with god, like Joseph did in Egypt, that's the heart of a man beginning to agree with god. But where that man zs - it's began in that city for that man will become the heart of that city. And that city will be shook by that man's vision because he will have the vision of god for that city." So the lord began to deal in the hearts of men that he was going to call them and begin to move to bring those men so he could begin to raise them up. Alot of people don't realize that it takes years for the lord to wear dow a good minister. He starts in such strength and such zeal. He is a great sic slob of diamonds - when the lord gets through with him, he is just a little bitty shiny stone. And that is wen he is ready to use him. So the lord started wearing his men dow then so he could get them to were they would be ready for him in the time. Mb: so '75 is when bob got his first dramatic promise of the spirit experience outside '.THE Body watching, hearing these two angels give a promise about the future of what would begin in this city that would touch many cities. He said the promises were not for this city, but it was for a tram that would go to many many places. The promises would reach every place that the team reached which is true of every other movement. Wherever that movement goes, the promises of that movement go with it. But he said that the lord ordained out of sovereignty, he related to harry Truman and his favor toward Israel, he said, "because of harry s. Truman, i have chosen this city for a particular task." Just like he has chosen other cities for other reasons that we don't know about. But god always has a reason for choosing a city in a special way. Bj: i was also told that i was to stand behind the movement - not in front of it. I would never be leadership, but just an adviser and a watcher. Mb: the lord told you that himself? He said he would rule from the backyard - he would minister from the backyard to keep the leadership in faith. Bj: yep Mb: Ok, now i want to go to the next thing here. Bob is involved in a specific gathering of believers dow the way and begin to tell what happened wen the lord then gave you the promise of a group that would come. The reason why we're sharing this with you is because these are your promises. At/ of you that are out here, the majority that are related to this purpose and this team. Regardless of what location you are in, the lord made it clear, it is not a Kansas city issue, it is a birthing place that i chose geographically, but it is a team issue that will reach many, many places. So he began to tell him about a group of young people that he would bring from around the nation to gather into unity. So, tell them from the early days how that happened. Bj: viola and i were involved in a church in '76. We were involved with the youth leaders and we even gave them quite a bit of land in lake Ozarks. We had a youth camp there. There was a movement of the spirit with the youth, but also there was a pull of the youth into immortality, drugs and alcohol. And the lord was tellin me what they were doin. I had to warn them. It got dangerous. Still they wouldn't turn from it so i went and warned a couple of the youth leaders twice. Viola and i, we dearly loved them. They were like our son and our daughter. And i warned them, but they bratty got upset the last time i warned them. And two days later they were doth dead. I warned then about a motorcycle. They were killed on a motorcycle two days later. Mb: because they were in sin. It wasn't that the enemy could just take them, but he warned them. The enemy was seeking to take them. And they said it, "forget it, we are not getting rid of our sin." Bj: that motorcycle was part of their sin. So they were killed and even in their funeral i drought another word - it kept coming and it was - I'd heard the church brag just before that - "10 years we haven't had a death." Oh, don't get into pride or drag. Man you open the door to the devil every time. As they were burying them the lord told me, .'THIS Isn't the last. And they will be young people, they won't de old." The next day we got a call from another young man in the navy and he went to smoke (?) Park with a couple of black Muslims and he got drunk and he tried to swim in the lagoon out there and he drowned. Two or three days later a man run off the road and was killed. These were young - family men. They just died one after another. And the women of the church began to look at me and said, .'DON'T Let him look at your husband. The man can curse him and you'll die." There was all kind of stuff that started going on. I got so depressed because young ones were dying. What bothered me the most was viola and i had some blood kin in there too. You know, you think that would scare hell out of them, but it 010897 - they started turnin to drugs and alcohol to forget it and they went into immorality. And some of them has never come back to the lord since then. Mb: so, seven young people under 30 died in a six week period and bob had given himself fully to this group and he was so depressed because this group rejected him. And then he called in about some sin in the leadership, some immorality and they threw bin out of the church. They said, "we don't want you here again." They cast him out and within weeks the immorality in the leadership took place and the people left - left their spouses of the church, so 7 young people under 30 die in six weeks. So they said, ..YOU Cursed them. You are the one that cursed the leadership. Get out of bekki" so Bob, brokenhearted and viola drew back from the church as they were kicked out of it and said, "lord is there anything we can do? How are we to view ?HIST" they were sick at heart for months and months. Bj: i just went to bed and turned my face to the wall. I said, ..LORD, you told me, but they are getting worse and they've left the church now." And the lord then began to speak to me and said, "bob, even as it is written upon your forehead. I've written the golden mitre upon your forehead i didn't understand it then - but the gold mitre is typical of the writing of the lord on your forehead that says, .HOLINESS Unto the lord, even as i have written upon your head, there is coming an army and they will de a young group and you will de old and white headed when they come." Mb: now this was in '76 right? Bj: yep, ..AND They'll want you to go to war with them. And you will feel you are" too old then, but you won't de. These are those that won't de killed dy any natural catastrophe or natural atomic bomb. Neither will they de killed in sin. You can tell them that from the beginning." And i saw and they came and they were all young soldiers. They were all - all of them at first - was under 30 and their women were soldiers just like they. And they came and the lord says, "they will de faithful to me. They will not back up on me. Neither will they sin. They'll de the real thing and they'll come if you will just turn your face from the wall and believe I'll bring it to pass." So, through the years he began to speak these things many times to me. Now the anointing increased when me and viola, we went to another church, the anointing increased immediately. Signs anf3 wonders did too. And then all of a sudden, the lord said to me, #.DOD, you're going to some of the churches and you're building things that I'm not in. I want you to lay the anointing down and i want you to go home and pray." I said, "doy, I've never heard of that one before lord, but i know what you've spoke to me." There comes a time that even you must be willing to lay down the anointing, the miracle working anointing, if the lord asks for it. Viola and i did. And we were quiet for about three years and he'd speak these things to us. During that time he'd keep talking to me about crazy things. About, oh. I mean he would speak to me audibly that i knew it was the lord that spoke. He would tell me to write it down like. "when major general Alexander comes I'll de calling my officers of my army together." And i thought for sure we'd find out who general Alexander is now, so there was a military officer i knew and i just went and asked him to check the pentagon and he did and there wasn't no major general Alexander in our army. Mb: not yet. Bj: (laugh)-and so i would go back and I'd say, 'lord, why are you telling me all of these things? Why don't you quit tellin me and tell me something that i can understand?" Then he'd speak of certain characteristics that the army would be. So i would go to church and I so tell them - "I'll be with you for awhile and help you, but there will be a group come and when it comes, I'm going join them." Mb: okay, I'm going to step back a second. Because i heard this so much in '83 - '84 you know that it so impacted me - just the emotion of what bob and viola went through that they saw for a number of years - bob says 50 - 100 visions of this army that was going to be coming - that would be planted in many places across America, but the beginning of the army would come and begin in Kansas city. And he said the army would not all be young people, but it would be, the majority of them would be young people. So he saw the young people's army. Though he had a number of choice servants. One that he saved here and one that he saved there. There were older men and women - so don't get an overbalance on that. But he saw just multitudes of young ones. So he saw it as a young people's army, but it was not exclusively young people, but he saw the majority of them were young people. But there were a number that he had hidden for this day. And the lord said, "bob". He was so depressed. He said, "there is a group of young people coming" and this was so, its always touched me so deeply. He said, "they will not reject me. And you can tell them from the beginning - you can tell them that from the beginning." And he said, "808 they will never ever reject you." He said, "this group rejected me and came into judgement and they rejected you." But he said, "be patient, for i will raise up a family that will never ever reject you again." And that was bob's hope - that that would happen through all those years. He said, "lord, where's the family coming?" Give us the dialogue of some of the disappointment and impatience of waiting for that. Bj: i never was one that liked to be a church hopper. I liked to find a church and sit down and move in and become family. I mean i never did like to go from church to church. And i didn't do it, they had to pull me out. They did out of a'plenty of them. And this really bothered me because i just would get in there and see the children born and things like this. Mb: fall in love with them. Bj: and see the mama to where she couldn't conceive and the lord, when i come back from that death experience he give me a special anointing, specially with women that had miscarried and things like that because the warfare now, i could pray for those who had miscarried and they would quit miscarriaging. There's a lot of sisters in this town that's got babies today that i prayed for. Viola and us had a precious ministry - then boy, you pray for them and get to thinkin of them like grandkids and they throw you out. And that was like the old family throwin you out. That really got depression. So the lord told me, "I'll bring you a family. They won't throw you out..' So he said, "this group won't. You'll be with them all your life." Mb: amen, glory - (a lot of clapping) Bj: and see he was saying that this family will also be his family. Because my heart on that matter is the heart of my papa. My papa is a family man. That is what this is all about, is a family. It's a family come back together again. That they pray together and stay together. Some brothers, they might fight, but anybody else better stay out of it. The family will settle it. Mb: i don't remember any fights, but anyway, but I'll tell you one thing i don't think I've ever shared pu8lically was i met the pastor of the church that bob was at - let me see, where am i on that? Yeah, we can start going into the first of spring, a little bit about that and how we met in march - but i met this pastor and bob said, "the lord told me since 1975. He said that there was going to be a mighty moving from '76 there was a group of young people that would come and they would come in the spring of '83 and that I'd be joined to them and they would not reject me and that they would not, i mean they` would not# reject him or the lord and that his purpose would be in many many places across the nations and even in the nations of the earth." And i talked to, i went to the church that he left and i met the pastor at a city-wide pastor's meeting. I had only known bob about 3 weeks now. And i went up to the guy and i said, "hi, how are you doing?" I said, "my name is MB, I'm at so and so and ism new in this town. Do you know BJ?" He said, "of course i know BJ. He said, "he was in our church for 3 years." I said, "do you think he is a prophet?" I asked him that, sorry. '.YES" he said. "I've seen many many things - I've never seen anything like it in my life." I said, "well, what kind of guy is hey" he said, "he's a tremendous friend of mine.#. I said. '.WELL, you know, how do you feel about in not being at your church and being involved with what we're doing?" And i could not believe the answer he gave, he said, "I'm at perfect peace about it because bob told me when he came three years ago, he said 'when the young people come that I've waited for for years' he said, 'I'm going to have to leave and be a part. Of them'". And he said, "he told me that all the time. He said, "so when the group came," he said, "it was natural." He goes on and, .#We knew it from the beginning that he was going to leave and that he was going to be a part of that people." So he said, "I'm fully behind him because i know he's done the will of god because he told me that from the beginning when he joined us originally." That was, you know that was pretty, you know, you know - - hearing the guy say that really impacted me, i thought, "god," you know, that's when the questions started entering my heart - "what is going on?" as i will share tomorrow and Sunday morning and Sunday night - some of those that were here - the kind of bizarreness of trying to figure out what all of this stuff meant. We didn't have a clue what was going on. When bob first walked in the office on march 7, 1983 he said, #.I'VE Come to get you to believe in a movement that is world wide that is going to touch the nations of the earth with such power and glory that it will go far beyond the book of acts." I said, "a movement?" He says, "oh, the lord told me you wouldn't know anything about it." He said, "but," he says, "I'm going to minister" and he says, "my first task is to get you to believe it. Because if you believe it you will do a lot of things different now than if you don't believe it." I said, "what movement?" He said, ..YOU Don't know no this do tout" i said, "the lord just told me to come here, i don't know a clue about anything." And that began that bizarre 18 month period of events that we'll de talking about more tomorrow morning and tomorrow night. So he began to tell bin about that movement. And so is there anything because the people that are here - because the majority of you are part of it. There are just a few visitors this morning. Though you are in many locations, it is not a Kansas city prophecy. Kansas city was only the birthing. Kansas city was only the place that god chose - like Antioch was a place - the apostolic teams went over all the known world. Antioch itself was nothing but a cradle, a womb that gave birth-to something. Sometimes, it is so important to say this because some of the folks have a pride about Kansas city that's illegal in the spirit. The lord wants repentance over that and other people who are related to this movement or this team that don't live in Kansas city feel inferior and the lord also wants people to repent of that. The movement and the promises don't belong to a people or a city. The movement and the promises belong to god and those ordained from their mother's womb and he said they would come from the four corners of the nation to live here and then would go to the four corners of the nations to plant and to sow over everywhere. You know different ways that he made that known to us. So these promises belong to a movement& a team - that will de tens of thousands of full time ministries. We're not talking about a few, of 8 or 10 like our church planting team. We're talking about a massive, massive army that flows as one team of tens of thousands. These promises belong to the team in all of it's locations - just like every movement has its promises. It has it's limitations and it has it's promises - so also this team has it's limitations, it's boundaries and it's promises. So because those promises belong to you, anything, you know you told me you had seen 50 or 100 visions - I've heard many of them. Some of them i remember, some i forget. This tells some of the ways the lord made that known to you and one thing that comes to my mind is maybe this is-isn't the same thing as how the lord hit you with lightening. How lightening struck you and how he began to show you different things about people. He saw many of you and many others that haven't come yet. He saw faces - thousands of them. He said they would come from the four corners - even from other nations - to belong to this mov'mt. Bj: we even knew that the army of the lord would march oh Grandview and blue ridge. This was prophesied in 1980. Mb: this flank of the army - this little portion of the army. Bj: yeah, we saw the army marchin at blue ridge and Grandview boulevard. Mb: for you that don't know that's that street right out here. Bj: right out on the corner. And over and over we kept skein the white house - Truman's white house right across the road. Bj: that's two blocks away - where Truman was born. Mb: and we kept being told of what characteristic would be - even of the leadership and in the summer of '82 in the other fellowship i was in in the last one i was in before this - is this June of '82 when you got hit with lightening? Bj: yeah, i was told to pray for another prophet there and anoint him in my stead and go home and set. So i went home and i set. And ail i would see would be a vision of a bunch of young people. And the lord would say, "look them over real close." Mb: they were mature and ready and seasoned? (audience laughs) I'm just asking? Were they? I don't - - - Bj: they were cocky, arrogant, immature (audience laughs uproariously). Mb: i was just settin him up, that's what the lord told him. He said, '.THESE People will be cocky, unbroken.." Bj: and he said, "look them over real close." And he said, "i want you to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that i love them." Over and over he'd tell me, "i love these young ones that's agoin come. I want you to love them so you don't punch them." (audience laughs). Mb: he told him that in open visions. He stood before him and said, '.DON'T Lose patience with them because I'm for them." Bj: "hold them in the middle of the stream don't let the enemy get in - especially into the leadership. Don't let them appoint leadership. Let me appoint leadership. I'll speak supernaturally \hose coin come. I'll name them first. I'll bring my men - don't do these things because you'll have to undo them if you do." One of the first prophecies i brought to MB was to fire who he hired. And he had to go fire who he hired. Mb: he likes that - don't you? (bj laughs) see, i never minded the immaturity. I just never liked his delight over discovering the immaturity. I never liked that. He's always so happy when he found it. So men would come with visions of being in leadership here and boy, they looked right, they smelled right and they said the right things. The only thing is, the holy spirit said, "no." And over and over he said, "no" through the years. Some looked like they couldn't possibly belong here, he would say, "that's the one, that's my boy. That's the one i want, that's it." Boy, does the lord know. If it had been up to us we would have missed all the way. But the leadership that is here the holy spirit brought and those that looked like the best in faith and the best in doctrine and everything else - he rejected. Those that looked like the misfits and the culls - those the ones he loved. The ones he brought. Bj: you shouldn't talk about noel, Charles and John Paul that way. Mb: yeah, i know it - that's right. Mike Bickle (BJ laughs - audience laughs) Bj: you know - anyway - moving right along. It is important to know the leadership hasn't hardly come. There is only about 20 or 30 people in leadership. There is going to be tens of thousands. He said he would send the' first ones 'in supernaturally. Then there would be others in added - there will be others set in supernaturally - they're from many places. He said they would come from the four corners of the nation. Everyone of you that has been obedient and has been before the lord in intercession is going to be leadership. You are the first wave of this movement. You are the first wave and there are going to be a billion people come in. You are skin trained to se leaders. You know what leaders is? I've got my feet on it. Leaders are foundation that the rest of the body walks on. Mb: it's true. Bj: you want to be foundation? You want to be great? You want to be greatly used by the lord - then be a floor - the foundation. It can hold up the rest of the body. That's what hews callin\ everyone of you to - to weakness - to humility, so that you can support the body of Christ. That's what he's doin now. Bringin those that will be his leadership so that he can mature them. Mb: or the first wave - it is not even the whole of the first wave. It is just a part of the first wave because there is going to be many even in the first level of leadership. Bj: and so what hews told me is "watch em - don't let the mad dogs site them." If a mad dog bites you, it imparts madness to you. I'm going tell you religion is madness. And you let man's doctrine which is religion get into you and you become a religious person instead of a follower of Christ and you got madness in you. So the lord told me, ..DON'T Let em join with men's doctrine. Let me reveal the truth to them according to the Gospel." And so what he is after, he is after the followers of Jesus Christ. Religion to me is five things. It is legalism, it is opinion, it is a debate, it is judgement and criticism. He's not after that. He is after revealing mercy and grace. And he's after revealing papa's nature to the world as mercy and grace. And that's what he's calling us out - that we become servants again, instead of having the body serve us. Those who will be great, must be servants - not waited upon, but wait upon. Mb: bob, we have three minutes here. Tell about when the lightening hit you in June 1982. That's a real interesting one. I've got a few more for this afternoon i want to ask you about. Bj: i had a prophecy and that was when a real bolt of lightening hit my hands once at the lake of the Ozarks. I was struck by lightening. Mb: now is this '82 - is that June '82? Bj: it was about -'76. A bolt of lightening, i was inside, i didn't have my wires grounded in the basement down there and i grabbed a hold of the refrigerator and lightening hit the wires outside and a great blue flame came in. And a ball of fire danced all over that basement and didn't hurt me - but from that time forth my hands worked funny. And a lot of people have had a lot of good laughs about it. But a lot of people have got healed with it too. And miracles and everything else and got anointed by it. Anytime god is going to start a fire, he starts it with lightening. And you can take a little of that fire and impart it wherever it is needed. And it will start a god's fire. But you don't start a wild fire, you start it from a fire that god starts. And so in '82 when i deaned away, i was sittin on my back porch - I've got a glass porch. I was cryin because back in those days at different times i could hear the babies cry, because of abortion and i was crying. I actually would cry before the lord and i would say, "lord, let me do something. Let me go and blow up an abortion clinic or something like that." And the lord would say, "no way. You get out of that old marine corps mentality. Pray." 50 i would, i would cry and said, "lord, they're killin the babies." "yes, bob, they killed the babies in Egypt - in Moses time. They killed the babies in Bethlehem in my time and they killin the babies now. Yes, some can hear the babies cry." It got to where i asked the lord to take it away. And i was cryin about that and i was told to look to the west. And i looked to the west and two fiery fingers come out of the west and hit me in the eyes. And i was blind for awhile. And the lord spoke and said, "bob, the white horse is chin and that will be the christian group that I'm coin to use. Incorruptible flesh will they have and the lightening in their hands will be the hiding place of their power..' Habakkuk 324. And they will have a little horn upon their wrist of little power on their hands. And they'll now come, bob, and` I'll begin to show you these men and your job is to see that madness does not enter into them in any way. That they don't run after things that aren't of me. That they stay in the middle of the stream." I didn't even know what he was talking about then myself. Five years of intercession. I'm glad he didn't tell me all of that then. Mb: there were four inches of water - Bj: the first time i ever' seen the white horse when an angel called Gabriel was riding. The second time i began to see the white horse i saw him a couple of times in the 70's. I didn't understand what it meant. Mb: how did you see him? Bj: i would just see the white horse. And he was all prepared - i saw the silver on him. The silver bridle - everything was ready. But he would just stand there and he was waitin for guidance and most of all he was waiting for timing. Mb: he was just standing there alone. Bj: just standing alone. By the white horse that i see-there's never any other horses with him and there is never any man with him. And then in the fall of '82 i began to see groups of people with the white horse. Then in January i believe it - was the last of January of '83. Mb: I'm going throw this in so people can catch up. The white horse always speaks in bob's vision. I'm sure other people have visions of white horses, but in his vision it speaks of the corporate purpose that god is bringing to pass in this particular team and in this mandate. The corporate purpose is not a person, it is thousands of people with a purpose. Bj: so i saw the white horse - this time there was a man and that man was laying flat on a board on his back. And there was another one walking aside and i couldn't understand it. But, he was like one of them that was walkin beside of him was one of the men that was chosen to have a little power. That Habakkuk 384 scripture was to be part of him and he was to me a leader of this. I couldn't understand this either because that man had had that sort of eroderant spirit - i had saw him for about three or four months to where i knew his inner character. Mb: now watch it. Just don't tell about the banty rooster. Bj: oh, i wouldn't tell them that i saw you as a banty rooster, mike Mb: pickin fights and cocky and that, don't tell them about that. Bj: no, i wouldn't tell em that at all. And, this one at the side was saying, "this man, hews not heavy that I'm bearin, he's my brother." And that white horse, some of the main purpose of the white horse was to begin with - to pray for that man - i didn't know it then, but to pray for the man that was up on that board. And the white horse, i was told to lead the white horse into the middle of a dry stream. It was a stream that centuries ago had water in it, but now it was dry - as i led the white horse right into the middle of the stream, the spirit of the lord put water like a little trickle on both sides of it and he said, .'I'M Releasing the spirit of prophecy to keep the white horse in the middle of the stream. And that's your only duty. Just walk along side - hold onto the gentle reign to keep it in the middle of the stream, because one day the rains will come and the flow will begin and when it does the man on the white horse on the board shall be the one first that touched that stream * one of our main duties when we were being birthed was to pray for Pat Bickle continually. I didn't know it then, but i kept trying to explain visitation to mike and i think he understood it totally. Mb: not at first, i didn't at first. Bj: mike was an intercessor. And his brother is paralyzed. (pat) and mike's intercession that's in him is birthed there by the necessity to pray for his brother. So he said, "my brother's not heavy, he's not a burden to me. He's my brother, i love him.* And see that's the burden that's in this body. That we bear our brother's burden. That they aren't grievous to us. That he's our brother. Then my job was to keep the white horse in the middle of that stream - not to get off balance in other things but to bear one another's burdens that our brothers and sisters - that they are not a burden to us in intercession and prayer - for they are heavy - they are our brothers and our sisters. It is one of our main birthings. And there would be many things that would come and i saw many pastors would come and they come like barkin dogs and try to scare that white horse out of the stream. That meant that many men that had many different various doctrines would come and try to pull us away from 000.8 purposes. They sure come. They would come with this message and that message - '.YOU'RE Off the watt - come and join me.* And the mad dogs would come and say, *hey, we've got it. Just draw over here close so i can bite you a little bit and you'll be right with us." Mb: explain what a rabid dog is and mention the 4 inches of water is. Bj: the lord said that this white horse would be in four inches water - just enough to get clean. He said, "I'll just give them enough of the spirit of god just to stay clean. I'm not going to give them the outpouring until there is a specific time in the spirit. I just want them to stay in the middle of my purposes. I don't want them trying to get down the road and bob stood behind the horse and whenever this purpose would go to the right or to the left, of which its happened so many times i can't even begin to say it-some of the more specific matters in which that happened, he would come with a vision and revelation and it was incredible the accuracy of it. When somebody would try to force it to the right or to the left, he said there would be rabid dogs on the banks of both sides of the river. He said a rabid 000 is one that is mad and candy be rationed with, i mean there's no rational dimension to it - he said. But a rabid dog's throat is swollen up so he couldn't never get into the water. He couldn't drink the water so they would always be on the sides casting stones at what was happening in the middle. And the lord told bob that as long as the white horse didn't get to the side the dog can't find him and infect him. Which meant as long as the leadership did not fall in intimidation - that some of these strong personalities - as long as we follow the lord we will stay in a place of intercession we'd keep our standards right - we keep going and the lord would try us with religious people - with religious ideas to get us out of a place of prayer. He would get us into building too quickly instead of waiting until the water came. And we continually, in our insecurity and lack of wisdom as the leadership, we would always gravitate to these people and they were always good, righteous godly men trying to help us. And the lord said if we give ourselves to them, a lot of the foundational things would be taken away from us - but we would yield to them out of intimidation or whatever reason. And in that sense those dogs bit us. And they would cause infection in what god was doing here. And so many times - i just say this to give you an insight as to how god has been so precious to watch over this in the early days. That is why i have so much confidence about waiting.` For timing~ because we have never been able to do things like the other groups down the road. Our time patterns. I remember when we first came the lord said, '.THREE And a half years before you do anything in prayer." I remember standing before the body and saying, "i know you need youth ministers and i know you need home groups and counselors. I know we need all that. God said 'prayer meetings, morning, noon and night period'." That was causing a lot of problems for a lot of people. And the lord knew that that was going to cause problems and lots of pastors, and i don't have any big martyrdom complex, but they were always trying to help us to see the reasoning of getting out of that prayer room and getting on with it. And bob said, "they're mad dogs. They don't understand the nature of this stream." He says, "they will always try to pull you to the right and get you out of the center of it." Times. Many times, I'm talking like ten or fifteen - i don't mean hundreds, but ten or fifteen times i would have a conversation with a man - he'd call me on the phone and say, '.YOU'VE Gotta do this and this. And it's not fair to the people." I would be swayed because of this lack of being seasoned. I would go, "maybe he's eighth. And i mean it happened, like i say times without number, when you get 15 of these, it just seems like it's happening all the time. Bob would call me a day or two later and say, "i saw a man in a vision coming to you and he gave you this counsel." I'd be on the phone and I'd say, "this is incredible." He'd say, "the lord said that's not my counsel - that's the reasoning of his heart. He has good motives, but it's the reasoning of his heart - it's not my spirit - don't yield to it." I'd say, "this is incredible." So i would say in my heart, and I'd go tell bob or noel or whatever. "no, we're sticking in the middle of the stream. We're staying in the prayer meeting. We're not heeding the call of the people to forsake the necessary foundations that were lain for many many years in many locations to go build a church according to their pattern and their impatience." And then another guy would come and say don't you see this and this and that. And i would say - it was just because of our own instability that god sent dj. And i would say, "man, maybe you are right." And then bob would call me again and say, "a man said this and this." Then i would say, "that's incredible again, that's exactly what he said." "don't listen to it." But I'd say, "but bob, nobody understands what we're doin." He'd say, "when the lord wants to use you guys, but he doesn't want you to look good in the process." He said, there is insecurity in you that he is dealing with while he is preparing you to stay in the middle of the stream." I said, "man, this is a rock and a hard spot. Mb: this is a bad place to be," because, and you can elaborate on this, bob, when the lord first showed him some of us from the beginning he said,"go and stand behind these people". He was talking one time specifically about myself he said, "go stand behind him because his enemies are too great for him." He said, "he will be overpowered by the persuasion of his enemies." They weren't evil people. They were enemies to this purpose. They wasn't enemies of god. He said that he would never be able to stand without prophetic revelation and they were too powerful and that he will be persuaded out of his own immaturity to go with them and that's why the lord sent him to stand behind my back. And that is true of everyone in the leadership, but he said that i particularly would be given over to falling right and left with these men and he said, "his enemies will trick him and deceive him and he will leave this purpose. And he doe5s't understand the necessity of doing it right in the first five or ten years." So maybe you can elaborate on that. Bj: you take a little child. The first five. Six years is the rest of it's life. A child is formed in the beginning in the first few years of it's life - how it will grow. And that is what he was saying. "teach him to wait on me. Teach him to get my word to do the things that I'm saying." It is like the lord himself is setting up leadership in everything here. And we were to wait and let him do it his way. And his way was to build it straight. And to build it in weakness . . Mb: and slowly Bj: and one word he give us is, "the mill of god grinds slow. But it grinds fine." What he wants is the flour - the peace offering that is ground fine and to grind us fine - so that we'd be a peace offering unto him and command. So he's made us wait because what he is beginning to build and where he's beginning to build in places like this - it's not the flesh that's building anymore for today and tomorrow, but what he's beginning to build now is the eternal church and what he is building is eternity and putting it on his foundation and on his principles so that the church can be birthed by his spirit not by man's mind, not by religious circles - but by the spirit of god and according to the word of god - are bringin both witness back in to the body that the body night be led by both the word and the spirit. So what he's been working in us and destroying is bringing a perfect balance among us which we haven't obtained yet, but which we are seeking to accomplish. Bringing a balance among us so that we night be balanced Christians. Christians balanced on the word and the spirit. Mb: so - if you can remember the specific way in which he told you to stand behind us. I'd like to hear that again. Even with the negative stuff, how we could not stand alone. I want them to catch the real sense of that - of how weak it was and how pathetic it would have been without that help. Bj: well, when he showed me the white horse he would put a reign in my hand and say, "when it goes to one side or the other, pull on that reign." Mb: the way that he pulled on that reign was by giving him a revelation. He would pull with a revelation - that's what that meant. Bj: and i would see people come to argue with him and usually those that would come to his face, he was persuaded enough to withstand those. But usually when a man would come at his face in the spirit - one would also be comin at his back. And they would come and erode him in the back. I was told to stand in back - not stand in leadership - stand at his back. I was to watch the back. Anything that he could see from his front, he would be Ok on - but what he couldn't see from the back was the real danger. And i was to become eyes for his back. I wasn't to manipulate or control in any way but. Really - all i was to do was to hold. Mb: because the lord said we could never stand in the immaturity of our we could never stand without that extra revelation - we would be tripped up without it. Bj: yep. He said that whatever revelation that they would need to keep them in the middle of the stream - that he would give. I noticed that through the years that every time that the body would really get beaten down and the enemies would really be coning, the lord would bring some strange revelation. He would just set the body here on fire - get them back into faith. That was part of my job - to keep them in the middle of the stream. Keep them in expectancy. Keep em lookin to the lord for an answer. Keep directin them to Jesus who would bring that answer. Keep them lookin for the flow that would come. Mb: just elaborating on that point a little more - i can't tell you the details because of the personalities involved, but i know a number of occasions even more than just somebody persuading us, there was a whole set of times where men would rise up and try to undermine what was going on. Even in their hearts there was something wrong. And bob would come to me or one of the others and he would say, like for instance this happened once, he goes, "we're going to go to a prayer meeting today." We went to this specific prayer meeting in the city with a bunch of leaders. He's say, "there is going to bk this person come up to you and they're going to have a prophecy for you." I said, ..OK". He said, "the lord says it's not of him, he doesn't want to wasting any energy on it trying to wonder if you're off-base. He doesn't even want to spend the time." So we get in the car, we drive to the prayer meeting. This person would come up and say, "oh, brother hike, I've got a word for you. The lord says if you don't quit doing this and you better start doing this. Then he is going to do this and this." And bob would be standing behind the guy and he would wink at me. And i say, "oh, thank you." As i would leave bob would say, '.YOU Can throw that one away. Don't even waste any emotion on it. The lord says you get too emotional on that stuff. You just lay it down and you stay in the prayer meetings, stay undistracted." That happened so many times. I don't mean hundreds, but i mean 10. 20, 30 - those kind of numbers over the first 3 -4 years. It was an amazing thing. There would be a man rise up in the body. He would come with a heavy word, "you better start doing this" kind of prophetic warning. "if you don't start doing this with the people, god is going to leave you. And all" these things." It was really came out of their thinking because anybody with any kind of thinking knows you can't raise a church up with just prayer meetings. You've got to have other things. And the lord didn't seem to acme with that. I mean adamantly, he was against that. He said, "no, you can raise a movement up on prayer meetings. Not a church, the church won't even start for a few years." But it was so difficult tryin to get people to understand that because when we started gathering people, people gathered to have a church. They didn't gather for a movement. And as the thing develops over the next five to ten years our mourning will be turned to joy. I think we will have a rememberance of the first five years with a bit of fantasy. I think some of us will remember it as "oh, the good ole days." I remember lots of strife. I remember a lot of people mad. I remember a lot of people angry at these things. I remember myself quittin a few times. I don't remember things good. I remember things bad personally. I remember loving people and camaraderie, but there is nothing "good old days" about that i know about. It was just agony emotionally all the time trying to figure out what was god - what wasn't god. Were we right, were we wrong. People would come and say something and bob would call me on the phone and say, "a man called, he stands in the oaks of righteousness" I'll just say that one, if you can remember - "and he's aiming at you. He is trying to undermine you and he's a righteous man, but he is trying to take this vision out of the hearts of people and he is circulating around and the lord says he's got you in his scope, he's got a gun. He's got you in his scope and is going to try and take this vision out of the hearts of people and undermine it. But don't worry, he's got you in his scope because I'm up in a tree and I've got him in my scope. And he doesn't know that I'm them." And he would just tell me person after person, he said, .'DON'T Give this person any mom influence because they are saying this and this." I said, "sob, you have no idea, that is exactly what he just told me two days ago." He says, "well i don't know about the natural, but i saw it in a vision - don't yield to it." I was just so grateful in my heart. I still am. . But day by day - it didn't happen every day, i don't want to exaggerate and make you think that but i mean just the day in and day out kind of mundaneness of it - the revelation that saved us from gross errors - i always pictured us like on a 4-lane highway - many times we were in lane 2 and we should have been in lane 1, 3 or 4. The lord says, "ism going let you get in the wrong lane - just to humiliate you, but I'm not going to let you get on the wrong highway." Every time we started to get on exits to another highway, sob would call on the phone and say, ..THUS Saith the lord, whoever told you this is not me." Wow, get back up on the ramp and get back on the highway. It would always be in the wrong lane it seems like. He say, "that's ok because he wants to try your patience, your insecurity and your humility while he is building this team." I remember he was making this known to all of us - this just wasn't word to me but to all of us. I just went, "god, this thing is terrible. Lord, there is no way we are going to look good in this thing are we?" But he says, "nope, he wants everybody like jacob...LIMPING In the end because they wrestled with god." Everybody will limp in the end, nobody will strut in this thing. Mb: amen Bj: so that value of him watching for the mad dogs which spoke of people with good ideas, but were not birthed of the spirit has seen absolutely invaluable over the years. But the nature of the stories were such - we couldn't tell them because the personalities - some of them are still sittin out here - the lord didn't want to bring shame to them, he just didn't want us doin what they said, that's all. So it was never an issue with 808 - hearing what they said and saying that's not true - because that would have seen his opinion. So he would call me on the phone and tell me about a conversation i had alone with this person and 808 didn't even know the person and he described. He'd said this and this and in the last couple of days - and I'd go "that is amazing. It's exactly - what just happened - "the lord would say, "don't yield to it, stay on the straight and narrow." Now tell them just so they get the real picture - the proud i want them to know the truth. How we got, came here. Dumb, immature, Bj: he said , " immature , proud , cocky " . Mb: cocky, mb, i kept seeing him like a little banty rooster. Bj: he'd get his feathers ruffled up real easy. He thought he could take om all the big roosters. I saw a bunch of kids runnin with him and they were so dumb that they thought that they could take on the entire kingdom of darkness over night and bring it down. Mb: it's pride. Bj: pride. And i saw them go into a 21 day fast and boy, they went into it with such zeal . And such a humanistic faith. It didn't take them very long to start gettin humbled. It got tough with them. They were so positive just because everything - the lord was really with them because he just kept givin them supernatural signs from every place to build their faith. They was coin through a fast - but boy, i mean their faith - we're it. We're god's blessin to the earth. And the lord let them get away with that for about 20 days while they went through the fast. Then the lord spoke to them and said, "it is finished." The spirit of the lord broke the fast and boy, i mean they went, and my prayer, "oh, lord, you're not coin to anoint this mess are youth Mb: i .THOUGHT He should of, personally at the time. Bj: lord, if you anoint this mess the church is in real trouble and the lord says, "don't. Worry about it,.. Get out and bring them a prophecy. Tell them as dry as it was for 21 days," which is three weeks - "it will be a lot dryer the next three months." Mb: I'm goin to tell them that in more detail tomorrow. Bj: it was really dry in this town for the next 3 months. It didn't rain for 3 months. So, i didn't realize it was going to take him so long to grind us down. Because i really thought we'd get our act together by now. But he'd keep giving us - we'd wear out on one prophecy and we'd get down and he'd give us another one to lift us sack up again. That's really where we are mow. But you know, we're learning the ways of the desert. We're learning the ways of humility and that's the only way re's going to move. And that's what he's been teaching us for five years. That it's not going to be in our strength, it's going to be in his. Mb: i can remember one word that bob gave during the 21 day fast in may '83 of which some people hear about that and as I'll share tomorrow it's like "wow, that must have been incredible." It was terrible. We complained, griped, got mad - it was terrible, it wasn't anything close to glory. I just want to get rid of the fantasy of it. And i remember one of the words that bob brought to us. I did not like this word at all. He said, "the lord said that the majority of you doing this - you're like the strength of a young man. All of you together. The strength of a young man is his thigh." Remember that parable he gave you? He drew the sword of the lord and said. "I'm going to break the thigh of this people before i use them." And he struck it and he said, "the young man can't move if his thigh is cut wide open." And he said, "before i use you in maturity in the years ahead, I'm going to break the thigh with the sword of the lord and break you completely." I remember i went, "oh, great." I like the Gabriel stuff, i don't like those kind of words. He said, ..IT May be a lot longer than you think and it may be shorter, but he's going to break it before he raises you up." I went, "oh, man." I didn't judge that one very good. I said, "i don't judge that. That's not good." He showed us then a bunch of - i shared this in the leadership conference a couple of times, because i want everyone to understand this so we don't have some kind of pride or novelty about the first couple of years because it wouldn't be true and honest before god. But he said, "you're all like a bunch of kids." He's talking about the leadership, team, the whole staff. He said, "you're all like a bunch of kids in a big pool - you're all like 2 and 3 years old and there is four inches of water in this pool and you're all splashing and just making a big mess. You think you've got a whole bunch of anointing, you don't have nothing. You're splashing in a few inches of water." He says, .'YOU'RE Ail fighting and pullin on the toys with each other 'give it to me, no give it to me'. And the lord says, "they're all a bunch of very, very young ministries that are..~ Novices that don't understand it and they're fighting over the toys." But he says, "I'm going to keep them in the pool and I'm going to pour water in it in it's day." He says, "I'm going make them grow up first." Just so you get a little perspective as to why this thing's takin time. I used to tell people, "we ye got more promise per capita - we just don't have anything happening, you know. We have great prophesies, but nothing ever happens." The lord says, "when they grow up, it will happen in due time. And the promises will come to pass. But not in the timing or in the way they think." Bj: amen Mb: okay, good let's see, there's several things here, let's talk about the house of friends when the lord showed you the house of friends, or even the Dominus vision. If you can just touch those two. Bj: well. Many years ago he showed me a fellowship here and he showed me the enemy that would attack the fellowship. Mb: you mean many years like since you've been here. Bj: no, this was '79-'80. I saw satan attack the fellowship here. The lord is spoke into that fellowship real promises, but satan would attack the fellowship and the leadership with immorality. And he'd kill the fellowship. And i saw the fellowship laying like a man upon a morgue sheet. And the lord took me and said, "put your finger in that man's nose and prophecy life into hin." Mb: let's talk about - there was a fellowship in this city that god gave promises to that fell into immorality in the '70's. Bj: so i put my finger in the nose and i said, "spirit of life, you come sack into the purpose and into this fellowship. You are not in one man, you are in the body and you live." And as i spoke these words to it, i began to notice the left hand and the finger began to twitch and the spirit of the lord spoke to me and said, "satan thinks he's killed it because this was a purpose in a body that had two purposes. I raised this body up and i sent some of my best leaders to this body so that they could go - they had two purposes - one was to co to a gentile nation and the other was to go to the jewish nation." And that he would transfer that anointing upon another fellowship. And he was going to call that fellowship the Koininia agape. And to the word he was saying this to me it meant, the house of friendship and of love. He was going to raise up the army of the lord here, but he was going to also be a house of friendship and a house of love. And that he would raise it up here and the promises that he had promised that body that he would bring people from that body that had seen given those promises. I was shown a man, his name was Matthew Swartz. And i was told that he was going to be sent my way and to give him a prophecy. And then i was taken - i was taken by the ocean and i saw sands and they were called the sands of time and i saw tremendous holy prophets of god - they were the real thing. Their anointing was far beyond anything that i have ever seen. They reached into the sands of time and they were pulling up something that looked like a shoebox. A shoebox spoke to me of, like in Ruth - where there was going to be an exchange of land - there was the exchanging of shoes and the one that got these shoes had the right to walk on the land that the previous owner had walked on. And they opened these boxes - they were empty and -i would hear them say as they reached out, "I've got it - it's no\ - the promises are now. The promises are yea and amen for now." And then they would open up and it wasn't in their generation. I was sittin there and the lord says, "reach your hands into the sands of tine." I said. "lord, they are all empty.#* He said, '*do as i told you." So, i took my hands and i found a box down there. He said, "pull it out.* So i pulled it out. And he said, "open it." So i opened it up. And there were a bunch of letters in it. These were prophesies that I've brought in this town in '79 and '80 by the way. And i noticed on these letterheads it said, "greetings, you are inducted into the army of the lord." So you people that are really the army of the lord - you ain't got anything to be prideful for. You've seen drafted. You didn't volunteer. Greetings, you've seen inducted into the army of the lord. And he said, "when it costs 20 cents to mail a letter." Mb: this is when, '79 and '80? Bj: yep. This was '79 - it seems like it costs nine cents or something like that to mail a letter then. And they said it never would go up again. That stamps should be three cents instead of nine. And it never would go up again. And i brought these prophesies and they said, "you're missin again now. They'll never pay no twenty cents to mail a letter." And the lord says, "when it costs twenty cents to mail a letter I'm mailing this out. This is the leaders that I'm going to begin to induct. I'm going to call them in." And so he said he'd mail them when it cost twenty cents. And as i was looking at that, he said, "come, i want to show you something else." And so i went and i seen the lord and it was like he was lookin at little yellow things - little round yellow things like a spirit of goo itself. And there were billions of them. And it was like him and all the angels were looking through these and every once in awhile they'd say, "hey, here's an end-time one, get it down here on the end. This is a perfect one. Here's another good one." I said, .'WHAT Are you doing?" He said, "oh, we're collecting those who are foreknown and predestinated for the end-times, for you see they'll be the best of all the seed that's ever been. And we're looking through the seeds and this'll be your grandkids. This will be the end generation that is foreknown and predestinated to inherit all things. And these will be like grandchildren to you - even those that you minister to won't be this generation. Their children will be. You are to write into their minds - as they write into the children's minds. You're to bring them to a place to allow my spirit to rule in their life where they can begin to set the church on the proper foundations - as they will. They'll birth the church, but their children will attain~ levels of the holy spirit that they will not. Although their parents will reign over them and be the leaders of the last day church - their children will possess the spirit without measure - for they are the best of all the generations that have ever been upon the face of the earth. And the best of all generations are those elected seeds that will glorify Christ in the last days. That's the purpose so that Jesus in the last days has the seeds that will glorify him above any generation that has ever been upon the face of the earth. They will move into things of the supernatural that no one has ever moved in before. Every miracle, sign and wonder that has ever been in the bible - they'll move in it consistently. They'll move in the power that Christ did. Every sign and wonder that's ever been will be many times in the last days. They themselves will be that generation that's raised up to put death itself underneath their feet and to glorify Christ in every way. And the church that is raising up in the government will be the head and the covering for them. So that the glorious church might be revealed in the last days because the lord Jesus is worthy to be lifted up by a church that has reached the full maturity of the god-man!" Mb: I'm going to sum that up real well. And you ado to it or subtract from it, if it is not just how you shared it with me or how you remember it. What the lord did, I'm just gonna put that in real tight there, the lord took him to this beach before an ocean and this beach spoke of the sands of time and the ocean spoke of the nations of the world in all of history. And he saw these men and they put their hand in the sand and pulled out this box and they were empty. And then a little bit later, another guy did and it was empty - another guy did and it was empty. The lord came to bob and said, "you do it right here." Bob said, "lord, they've all put their hands in and got empty boxes. They came up empty handed - without a box. Why should i do it?" The lord said, "put your hand in here." He pulls it out and he sees this box full of draft notices for the end- time army. And he said the lord told him there was 300,000 enlistment notices that he was going to send out across the nations in this next generation. It wasn't all going to be sent out then. 300,000 that would be the main leadership over one billion converts in the earth. Bj: amen Mb: he said. "I'll cause 300,000 to bear a distinct anointing of leadership over the one billion." 300,000 sounds like a lot of leaders, but a billion is a thousand million. I calculated that out and that is three anointed vessels in that distinct way for 10,000 people. That is nothing. He said, "I'm going to cause 300,000 like Gideon's 300 in Israel, I'm going to have 300,000. That will be a small number for the nations of the earth, but they will have like that apostolic anointing and the signs and wonders of the early church will be on 300,000. The earth will have it. The rest will move in the' miraculous, but i will have 300,000 that will have a special measure of the spirit like the leaders of the new testament." Like they had even more than the people did. And so then he pulled out this box, he sees the 300,000 names, he actually reads a number of them and he says, "lord, who are these gutsy" he looked back, "those were the leaders of past generations like John Wesley, Charles Finney, martin Luther. Who thought their generation was the chosen generation." And every time they pulled their hand up they came up empty handed because i!!g Chosen generation - because there is one generation that will enter into that which is beyond all the others. The chosen generation of history that will go beyond all the others power. They thought it was theirs. It is not. .'PUT Your hand here." So he sees the 300,000 and the lord looks at bob and says, ..FROM Out of the sands of time i have called the best of every blood line in the earth unto this generation," he said, "even the blood line of Paul, even the blood line of David, the blood line of Peter, James and John, the best of their seed is unto this generation. They will be even superior to them in heart, stature, and love for me." He says, "for out of the sands of time, i have elected to bring them forth in this hour." And he said, "this generation of the young people that are coming" - and which he would give him time frames - he would put it in the language of the generation of young people that are coming. He said, "it will be their children - not even the generation that is coming - their children is the elect generation. And he said, "as the thing grows," he says, "this generation will see the inception of this move. It will begin in their time. They will be as children in the spirit." I've put about four visions together - you add to this if this isn't just right - but I've heard it enough times that I've put it all together. And he said that like in 1 john 2 - "there's always three generations in a generation. There's the fathers, the sons, and the children. The father, the young men and the children." He said, "in every generation is the presence of the three. He said. "the generation of the young people that are coming are going to see the beginning of this world-wide new order and this transition that is going to be coming world wide. It is going to change the expression of Christianity in the earth in a generation.'. He said, "though they will be the beginning of it, it will be in this time frame of the 80's and 90's. They will be just youth in the spirit. And even those who are older in age will be but babes in the spirit." He said, #.THAT'S All of us." He said, " we'd birth it..' He said then what would happen is that we would raise our children, right in the midst from the womb all the way up. They would move so familiar with these ways that they would be much more even trained and equipped for it. He said, "then their children, which would be the grandchildren of the generation of young people, which is my generation, their grandchildren (people my age would see my grandchildren) move in the power of god before the lord comes. Now lots of people have all different types of time frames and I'm open to them, but i really believe that this is where I'm at. He said a number of times, .'YOU Will see your grandchildren. Some 5 years old, some 10. 15, 20, but your grandchildren will move in the power of god when you're an old man." Now you can elaborate, but I'll come back and add more to that. " Bj: ah, and he said, '.AS Sure as this vision is of me, tell Matthew Schwartz that I'm going to begin to meet his needs this day. He'll come to you tonight." Matthew came, i spoke some things to him. Immediately i could see that Jewish mind of his, '.LORD, what have you sent my way today? There's another one of them false ones." Matthew went home and decided to pray about it. He said, "lord, is this man of tout" the lord said, "what did he tell you to do, but believe? Believe and find out... Matthew said, '.OK, i believe him. Give me the $5,000 i need... The next day it came in the mail. And i told Matthew that the letters would go out when it cost 20 cents to mail them. Well, he went to Israel and had him a good time. That's what he wanted the $5,000 for, because the lord told him to go to Israel. He came sack here and started an intercessors for Israel. He went to the post office to mail some letters that fall and he was settin there and he asked, "how much to mail a letter?" They said, "it costs twenty cents today." Matthew said, '.WHERE Have i heard that at before?" That was the fall of '82. He turned, .#Lord, what mes that meant" a warm anointing just fell all over Matthew as he fell out on the floor. Mb: so. Matthew believed? Bj: he believed. Mb:i want to go and stay with the thing that i was sharing, because i want you to see it all together. So the lord said there is a generation of these young people, it would be in this time frame in the 80's and the 90's that the inception and the beginning of a whole new order across the earth - it wouldn't just be here. Across the earth. Always know that bob. Is a seer for this group but don't misinterpret of what he sees for here there isn't other prophets across the nation seeing for other groups the same thing. And so he said, "these young people would de the government in the end - even over their children. Their children will have a greater anointing. Their children will have greater power - but they will de the government and the authority over the children." And Bob said, “LORD, why is that? Why would they have the authority if their children have the greater anointing?" And the lord spoke to him the story of Solomon and the two mothers and he said this, "as you know the story goes, these two women came to Solomon and they doth claimed to de the mother of the one baby and Solomon said 'let's take a knife and sword and cut the baby in half'. The real mother said, 'no, it's her baby, it's not mine.' The false mother said, 'i don't care, cut it in half," because she was only jealous that she didn't have a baby. The true mother said, 'no she can have it, i won't cut it in half'. And Solomon in his wisdom said, 'give the baby to the mother who gave it away because she is the true mother.'" And the lord said, "this generation that labors in intercession, in barrenness and in humiliation to birth this thing across the earth." Not a Kansas city 'thing, remember, the same thing across the earth. Happening in every other group. He said, "they will give away their rights over the movement before they will divide it because they are the true mothers of the movement." He said, "their sons and daughters will inherit it freely so they will have a greater anointing. They won't have the same price they paid so they would divide it more quickly before they would give up their interest. But those that birthed it would lose their interest, so they will de the government of it, though their sons and daughters will surpass them in the anointing and their grandchildren you will see. Course we're talking of. The grandchildren, some will de i some de 20 - it depends where you fit in this thing." He says, "you will see them with your eyes. This generation will see them with their eyes before i come back." That has molded our thinking. A lots of people have a different - some see the lord coming in 2 - 3 years. Some in 20 - 30 years or 200 - 300 years, but i believe with all my heart that we have some time to build rightly. We don't have to forsake the strategy that god has given us - jump out ahead because we are in a hurry. We've got to "build it with right vessels now, slowly and surely." Because i believe, i submit this to the other prophets, that we're going to de around for a little while. Bj: amen Mb: i know that my sons will surpass me in manifestation. But i believe it is because we are the ones birthing it - that we will de more equipped to have government and they will de more equipped to do ministry to the millions. They will have strength, they will de in their youth and they will de strong and a lot of us will de older at that time. If you want to mention about this, this is kinda a bizarre one, i asked you before hand, but you do what you want about the rose of Sharon. . How the lord showed you. Do you remember?IT Was on a tombstone. But, the rose of Sharon would crow out of it the rose Sharon is the briber the church. Even after my time -she would grow and that she would bloom and that she would come forth. Come forth even out of the graves. . And out of the bareness of time -bob saw, he was taken up in a trance and he saw a tombstone with his name on it and a big rose. "lord, what's that?" He said. ..THE Seed that you are planting with your ministry in these times" he said,"it will come to full blossom, but after your time." He said, "but you will be rewarded in eternity with the same reward that they have because the sower is just as rewarded as the one that waters." He said, .'BUT It will not blossom fully until after your time, but it will be accounted unto you - the labors of it.'* That's a funny thing to share but - one old prophet said, "the pay's the same." Bj: yep, the pay's the same. (laughter) Mb: the lord told bob once that if you raise the dead or take a nap, the pay's the same." As long as you 00 the will of god, the pays the same. The lord desires obedience and not sacrifice. Bj: amen Mb: the pay is the same. So the house of friends. He told him that this movement, and like i said, I'm just so afraid of the exclusiveness. I just keep talking about this movement - but you are the ones to partake of it - because i think many of things could be true of many movements. I have to say that over and over because i so fear that people would think something in a wrong away about the promises and instead leading you to perseverance, it would lead you into pride and that is why i just continually have this fear of sharing these things in a public way because of transferring pride one to another of some way - Bj: there would be 12 distinct lights - uh - they were 12 apostles – I was shown something many years ago in the heavens - that when then or thern lights really get after you, there'd be 12 distinct colors you'll de able to see in 'em - and the lord will raise up different lights throughout the entire earth - one of the things i continue to share is some of the vineyards i go to - i tell 'em y'all are a little off - you're saying that six and two is eight and we up there have got it together. The only way you can get to eight is seven and one is eight. And i say that some others are a little farther off they are saying that five and three is eight. I even hear a fellowship is saying that four and four is eight. They are all right. They are representing Christ from different lights as the gospel. Vineyard has got a light. There's groups east of us that have got different lights than we have - but the light of Matthew was different than mark, Luke or John, but it all arrived at the same conclusion. Mb: i still say. Seven and one's the best. Bj: well, I've been telling them that, and then i have to go and tell them the prophecy of the lord, "you can't even live by the standards we set. You have gotta live by the light of the standards that god set for you." Vineyard's have got a special anointing of compassion we'ye got a special anointing of intercession. You've gotta go how the spirit of god has birthed you in the light. There'll be twelve different birth/nos to represent Christ from twelve different are as just as the twelve apostles reigned over it, twelve is the number of government and I've seen at least that many, that'll be birthed and headquartered in 12 different cities. Some of the denominations will be used in this as lights. Those that don't want to come in, into the deeper work - the outer court will be a light in this. The lord is going to offer grace to all those who want to seek salvation in the last days and the heavens themselves will reveal light everything that is in the heavens will begin to declare the timing of god just as they are now. One thing that i was told - "don't get excited, bob, until the heavens start light in up, because prophets spoke them into existence they're in obedience to his orbit and they were set there by him to declare what he's doing om the face of planet earth." Well, i never did get that much excited until about a year ago. The heavens are beginning to talk now and they're saying that we are in a season. I don't believe in planning your destiny except when you line up with the destiny of the lord. And they're beginning to say that they are coming into new seasons in the heavens. There are seasons in the heavens, just like there are down here. We were raised up, i believe, to begin to birth things things that is not understood in intercession - that I've seen in times past. I've seen intercession groups pray for five and six years and then twelve years on down the line they started getting their answers for when they started to pray. Mb: twelve years down the line. Just remember that everybody. Not immediately. Bj: they started to keep gettin their answers to that prayer and all of sudden other churches in town started gettin answers to that prayer those prayers would start to happen in down the line because we don't understand god's timing in this, but i do tell you, he answers those prayers and because you don't see it immediately, you miss the lord's timing. But they are answered. But the heavens now are declaring his timing. They're satin that he's laying a foundation – the foundations of many generations that has been barren and broken down he's beginning to raise up the eternal church built on the foundation government and he's beginning to mature that and within another 4 - 51/2 years, somewhere in there, you're gong to begin to see men and they will be a younger generation than i am - you're going to begin to see anointed men of god begin to move with the holy spirit in power. Not only will they have the word of god in them, that's the foundation ::: apostles and prophets - but they will have the word of god in them and they will have the power with the word - the spirit and the barrenness of the church will be over and the foundations of the church will be raised up. The walls will be raised up. You will see the glorious church begin to cone in and you will begin to birth it. It will take probably another 15 - 20 years to get some of you into some level of maturity. There will be neither male or female in this. There will be maturity - what god is seeking. And he will be raising the saints up - to that level. First he will bring the five-fold, but there is a ministry after the five-fold called the ministry of perfection - the Melchizedek priesthood. You that are here now, you'll be moving into the five-fold ministries, but your children will be moving into the ministries of perfection. Coming to that characteristics - coming into that divine nature of Jesus Christ. Not having to come out of the wilderness, but being birthed natural into the spirit. All their days movin with the spirit. Moving in ways of - that the holy spirit does. There is a purpose. It takes awhile - you've gotta get out of religion, or Egypt or death and then it takes awhile of dying out in the wilderness and getting the next generation into the warfare - that's where you are now - you're in the warfare, start to take the promised land - and then you raise up the generation to possess it. Well the children that are coming forth are to possess the promises of god, it is the last day generation, every prayer that's ever been offered will be poured out, all the alter of incense, all the weeping and the tears in revelation will be poured out. The lord is going to answer those prayers. Every prayer that has been prayed for the eternal church is gonna be answered. Mb: i want to say one things about this, the lord said to bob we were like the David generation that had many wars because there is going to be great transition in the body. Many misunderstandings, gossip,slanders, persecution - even within the house of god. He said that's why we won't enter into the fullness ourselves, but like Solomon who built the temple - because the lord gave him permission to build the temple because he was not a man of blood - or a man of war. But he said this generation in the next 10 or 15 years is a tine of war and transitioning of whole new orders in the body - but our children will be kings and priests of peace and not of wars and that's why they will go beyond where a lot of us are. Now in terms of the twelfth stream - he actually in '84, he saw a vision of the vineyard ministry and where god would take it and showed how they were a number of steps beyond us - as to where god had had us. And he said we would cross-pollinate with them. That's why there's been a lot of affection and support back and forth that just - something that god's done automatically with a bunch of us cross-pollinating. Talks about a movement on the east coast. Remember it was tom check remember – he saw a man there that's got a whole bunch of churches on the east coast, kinda like what's happening on the west coast and he said we would cross-pollinate with that group as well. So, he has given us insight about cross-pollination that we are to support those ministries and we are to serve them and that they would contribute and help train and serve us as well. As so, it is wonderful this thing of multitudes of strength. We just appreciate them. Bj: amen Mb: this thing doesn't make us love other groups and make us more disciplined in godliness, then this thing has not deem profitable for us and so i want to say again that bob came to us in '84 - what was it in the spring of '84 when you said there would de a movement birthed out of 40 miles southeast of la. Do you remember when you told us that? Bj: let me see. Mb: southwest or east - something like that. Bj: southeast - yeah. 35 - 40 miles. Mb: i can't rehem8er that, but i rehem8er you told us about it. Bj: i saw it birthed in about '79 and i began to see the spirit of the lord was~ moving there and he was moving on a group like a kindergarten group and he was moving up on them to begin to birth sovereign movement that would light - what he was birthing in them was a group that would move in great compassion. They would have great love. Although they were tremendously immature, yet there would be an anointing of compassion that would be imparted in them and it would be an anointing and they would be like kindergarten children - but they could go and touch even the unsaved and they would immediately after salvation begin to move in the gifts. They wouldn't even know better. Mb: when bob told us that in the spring i said, "what do you mean,kindergartners?" "well," he said, "they would be kindergartners in the spirit." I said, "and it's a movement?" "yes," he said, .'YOU'RELIKE Only two years old in the spirit - this is a little movement."I Said, "oh". He said, "there isn't anything in kindergarten&rs, its the most mature thing that cots any kind of wonder in it anywhere in the world." And i went, "oh, that'$ interesting." You know, we all get this idea that we're like some depth of maturity. "oh mo" he said, "kindergartners, that's the strongest thing in the nation."HE Goes, "because you are only two or three years old in the lord."THE Lord is going to cause us to learn from them - to brink from their well - and he will cause us to cross-pollinate - there would be great love and affection - and he would join our hearts back and forth and we would serve one another and build one another op." And that was in June of '84 - a bunch of is said, "let's go over there then." Then we went over to the conferences and we've been to a bunch of them since. That was the first movement that he told us we would be deeply joined to and interesting enough - bob has had a tremendous amount of interaction with many of the pastors from the vineyards. He hasn't called them, they've all called him. And the lord said that they would. He's the one that said, "you just watch out because the lord is going to tie the whole thing in together in terms of friendship and serving and building one another up." He said. "there's another group on the east coast. Some of you don't know. There's this man named Tom Check - i saw it in a vision." I said, "do you mean Tom Check?" And he goes, "well, something like that. There's a bunch of young men on the east coast and god's going to anoint them and raise them up. And we are going to deeply cross-pollinate with them as well in the same way as the vineyard. And the lord will cause them to cross-pollinate." He said, "there will be a number of other streams that i don't have directions." But he said,.'THOSE Are two for sure on the east and west coast and the lord's going to cause us to flow as brothers and friends of one another."BUT He said, "whatever you do, the lord wants you to know that it is friendship across the nation and the nations of the world. It's streams, but deep friendship." He said, "you would serve them and learn from them. And they would serve you and they would even learn things from here." But he said, "there's going to be several other streams besides` those two." So right from the beginning we had a vision, .'LORD. This is excellent - where can we learn from another group? Where can we deposit, where can we receive?" And so these things. Like i said must establish you in a greater desire to reach or your hearing them wrongly. And though the vineyards are the kindergartners of the nation. There's not another group that is as mature as they are at this point in time. So that kind of throws things in a new perspective - i leave that with you there. So. Do you have anything else about streams or cross-pollinating? Because that was the word you got, cross-pollination. Bj: cross-pollination. As i said, one of the streams - he's beginning to do this. He's beginning to bring anointing into denominations. One of the things he's getting the assemblies ready fob. He's ki in so many of them to where he can get ready to anoint - those that's reail of in. The word that i been bringing to the assemblies is " ..25% of you are saved and totally sincere in god and 25% 0f you e` layin games and the lord is gettin tired of your games. It's about time you quit being assembly and start being a christian." Mb: lest we hear that and go "ah" - that's about the percent of the rest of the groups in America as well. So we don't look at that and go, "shame, shame", we look at them and say, "oh, lord". That sounds about right - straight across the board. So it is just like the vineyard thing and the kindergarten. When you first hear it you think, "oh, my, those poor people." Then when you find out that you are two notches lower and when you hear that 25% are sincere, you might think, "oh, that poor group". But most groups, 10% are sincere, are truly would give everything over in obedience to Jesus Christ - that's what he is talking about. So you have to always hear that in perspective of what is happening." Bj: well, those 25% that's sincere in the assemblies are getting ready for the anointing and many of them are. There's some really good prophets beginning to raise up in the assemblies. And I've met hundreds and hundreds of assemblies of god pastors that are tired of playing games. . And they're ready for the spirit of god to begin to reign again. When the spirit of judgement and the spirit of burning gets finished there - which it has barely begun - you're going to se a lot whiter robe in the assemblies and you're going to see anointing there that we will cross-pollinate with. You'll see some southern churches that we'll cross pollinate with. You're going to see some northwest churches that we're going to cross pollinate with – you're going to see some northeast churches that we're going to cross-pollinate with. You're going to see some southeast churches that we're going to cross-pollinate with. Mb: bob, "what will be the area that we won't cross pollinate with? That might be easier." Bj: well, i don't think we'll be pollinating with the church of satan. Mb: amen - that's good. Ox, 1'm going to go on here. 1'd like you to share about dominus. ~it i.s a fairly complicated one. Bj: yeah , well , i saw the kids here Mb: yeah, that's us, okay - that's not me - that's us - Bj: that's the leadership here. Mb: hey - we're in this thing together, man - then i was really concerned in the way that they were leanin – and they was doing some things that was pretty depress I me - and i'd been before the lord and he wash ' t talking to me and i just kept prayin and a great angel came and he came and he woke me up and i got right up out of myself and i saw him and i knew he was a mighty angel cause i could see the power on him and he woke me up and he began to talk to me and on the writing on his forehead was Dominus - and he come and he said , " come with me - let ' s go out to prayer meeting " - so we went out to the prayer meeting - he got a little ole hood there and he got us a couple of rockin chairs and he fut em up on top of that little hood - he said , " set down " . Bj: if you've been in the prayer meeting, there's a little ledge that's about s feet by about 8 feet- it was just left there in the building when we bought it - he calls that the hood - there's a little ledge above the prayer - and so, a rocking chair on top of that? Mb: yeah, he fut a rockin chair up there, he had two of em up there and he said, "cone set down and rock a little. While with me, dear friend"and I'm thinkin, do i know youth "uh, you should, dear friend, set down." Mb: so it's an angel and you, you're in the spirit and assuming that. Bj: and his name is Dominus and he said, "when are you gonna start believin what you're told?" I said, "hunt" "you've got in unbelief again and you got into worry in and depression again and you've been given the promises of the lord for this body and you're not doin your job because you can't hear right when you're depressed and you get back into the 37th psalm and you stay in it for awhile until you get your act back together and i don't want to see you frettin anymore,dear friend, now, set down and rest, just rest." And as i set down,he took my hand and I'm thinkin, ..BOY, i sure like this one, he's just so friendly!" He took both of my hands in his hands and we set there and rocked and he said, '.BETTER?.' And i said, '.YEAH, better!.. Mb: and you were wondering the whole tine, what's coin on here? Bj: yep, and he said, '.THEY'RE Coin a little in the wrong way, dear friend, tell em this - I'll appear to both of them right away, I'll appear to Mike Bickle and bob scott and go tell them I'll appear to them in a vision or a dream in a very short time and give them the right' directions they need and if you just rest in me, because you have the word .OF The lord and it'$ "the purpose of the lord when you start believin it - they're not gonna get off, some other people discourage you in this anyway and it's time you quit lettin other people threaten you and you start believin and you start rockin because the - the power is gonna come from the west, yeah they're not goin to get into trouble because they'll get the message and i'm thinkin, well I'll be glad when you go so i can get up out bed and go to the dictionary and find out what the word, "Dominus" means. Mb: now Dominus was written where on hint Bj: right here! Mb: so he was seeing an angel, Dominus that went - now this was what, the summer of ' 8 5 wash ' t itt Bj: i think so. Mb: no, it was the spring of '85. Bj: it was the spring of '85. Mb: the spring of '85 right - and 80 Bj: about that tine that he said, "there's some other purpose for you, you get ready for another purpose." Mb: right. Bj: he was saying that, "there's another purpose a no you've got to get your act together and get out of this depression." Cause later on he appeared to me and he said, "i want you to minister to a thousand pastors, i don't want you to leave your home. I want you to set on your own divan. I'll bring a thousand pastors by the house in a couple of months." - he did. Mb: his phone rang off the wall incessantly - it was terrible. Bj: missionaries come from all over the world, from every denomination -they come from every place - so i was settin there and this greatangel he said, "i will see you again, dear friend." And i said, "I hope so, i like you, i like the way that you're so friendly." Mb: wait, I'm gonna throw this in. Bob told us afterward, he said, "I was so unnerved because mostly an angel cores ano gives a message,stares at you and leaves, he goes, "isn't that what normally happens with you guys when an angel comest* am way - (laughter) that's how it is with us, isn't it? Anyway - (laughter) and so he said, "normally an angel comes and just gives a message - very sober - and leaves."HE Goes, ..I Never had an angel just dialogue with me like this, le talone sit in a chair and hold my hands and say "hi" with a big smile and he said, "the whole time that he was lookin at me, i kept thinkin' who are you and what is this about?'" Because Bob's seen angels so many times and it was never, there was never one like this and like he said, what was this Dominus? Who is this angel? Bj: so man, i mean, he left and i woke up and soy, i jumped up and i run into the livin room and grassed the encyclopedia and the dictionary and i started lookin up - and i found that Dominus is a part of adon, like a Spanish don and the word for a Spanish don is Dominus and Dominus means lord - and it was the lord i had seen and i just about throned a fit! Oh, I'd seen waitin for alf this time and i didn't even know who he was and he didn't even talk to me and i went sack tobed and oh, i was in a - even still in a fit because i was havin toopal with depression anyway. (laughter) Mb: he just told him to be patient, he said. "be patient with those kids." He says. "now don't get all emotional, be patient, I'll take care of them." Bj: and so i was layin there and i said, .OH, how can i b so stupid?WHY didn't i know that?" "what's wrong with met" oh, i wanted to talk to him and about that time - i was gone again and there Dominus is standin in front of me and he said, "that's why i don't it that way, bob." He said, "i oion'7 want to answer any of your stupid questions." (laughter) Mb: now wait, he didn't say stupid, or did he? Bj: yes, he did and he didn't only say that, he said, .I Wouldn't have answered any of them and that's what you wanted. Things add to your knowledge and that's why i did it that way." Mb: tell - tell them what he said about you'd get emotional. well, he told me to quit gettin emotional - to quit gettin upset. ho, he said this thing to him, he said, .IF I would have told you who i was," Bj: yeah - "you'd have got so emotional that you wouldn't have heard a word that i was sayin." Mb: he said, ..IF I'd have appeared as Jesus, that you'd of went, oh, oh,..AND He goes, ..I Had a message for you so i appeared as your friend so that you would listen, you'd have got so emotional. You'd of never listened to a word i would of said." That's what he told him when he appeared the next time. Bj: yep, and then he was gone again. I woke up and went and got my sidleand began to read the 37th psalm and called them and told them thelord was going to give them a visitation in a very short time and it would de a picture of a han named don or Dominus and he would be a friend of theirs that would speak to them. Mb: okay, I'll take it from here, so he calls up 805 and myself and we come over and he says, "now you young kids are always just cau$in m etrouble, you're always just gettin me emotional." But we said,'.WELL, the lord told you to quit being so emotional, so you just quit" - you know? And so, he blamed us, we blamed him, and he said,.'THE Lord said he's gonna take care of this," he said. "some of you guys are fretting because you're just startin to waver in your faith a little bit," he said, "and I'm frettin because I'm wavering in my faith and the lord said that he's gonna de a friend he said, "nowhere's what he's gonna do, he's gonna appear to you, bod, in a vision." He goes, ..YOU'RE Not probably even gonna understand it because you're" - - Bob used to always, used to be, he always throws out these terms, he goes, ..YOU Two are so dull in the spirit, you won't even know it's the lord." - - course, he didn't know it was the lord either, at first, remember that! (laughter). That's what I always wanted to tell him, "you didn't either nomi" (laugher) we didn't either. Went into k mart's or we didn't know what was going on. He said, "now in the next couple of days, the lord's gonna appear to you in a vision or in a dream and he's gonna appear to you not like you think, he's gonna come as don, your friend, and he's gonna show you about the power of god." And we listened and we said."MAN This is great." Oh wait, you didn't even tell about his message about the reunion of the healing angels, that was the whole - Bj: yeah, well that's it - Mb: okay, yeah, cause that was the big message he came with so that we wouldn't fret because it really would come in due time. It was, well this was the central message that Dominus had. Bj: yeah, that he would release the angels to come again and begin to release the healings and the gifts and begin to bring a restoration and to put things back together again. Mb: he talked about a reunion. Bj: yeah, a reunion, the angels that was used in the 4095 and 5095 in the movement, that there were coin to be a reunion of them here, in kansas city, and it would be right away and that it was coming and you could - you would see it. Mb: course right away to the lord means, i was tryin to tell the pastors this week when you were up there, i couldn't get it, like,immediately means ten years, or how does that go? Remember? Bj: immediately means one to three years. Mb: okay, soon means - Bj: right away means, oh, three to ten years - Mb: and then soon means like ten to twenty years or something - Bj: now means - that's what he told Saul, "now the kingdom is rent from ya" - and it was only 38 years until it was taken from him and soon is the last word in the new testament, "I'm comin soon," so that's the lord's timin. Mb: so, it was something like - quickly - like it says in Luke 1828 -this is serious because this is how we hear prophecy, but we don't,we're not interpreting it right. Like in Luke 1828 it said, "if you pray night and day, I'll come quickly, 1'll not delay long" and quickly was like 5 to 7 years. Bj: yeah Mb: and i went , oh - ha ha , but ya know, i thought quickly was a year or two. Bj: yeah, so did i! Mb: but he said that if he comes in the next 5 or 7 years in power, he came quickly. Bj: yes Mb: and 50 i said, - well we began three times a day, prayer meetings -morning, 8008 and night in October '84. I said, "you're talking 5 to7 years?" And 808 said, "that sounds about right." He says just about then, he said, "cause he never lies. He'll come quickly" – and he told you to start prayin three times a day in October '84, $0since he told you to, he will honor his word and come quickly, " he said, "just plan 5 to 7 years - about then - that'd be right." I went. "oh my!" and i, cause we, our whole time frame was if we prayed, you know "x" amount of hours a day, as a people then he'$gonna come in six months. That's not true. $0 he told him that the the healing angels that were used in the great outpouring in the40'$ and 50's, that the lord himself would call it, the chief angel is Dominus and the angel of the presence, i mean, the lord isn't an angel, $0 don't misinterpret that, but he's the chief of the angels - Bj: oh, amen{ Mb: and he appeared like an angel to b08, but he wasn't an angel, $0we're not suggesting that he is an angel like, like the angels of the lord that are created, he's uncreated. - Bj: amen Mb: and s0 he said that, "I'm going to have a healing revival" and i'm sure those angels are going to gather in other places, not just here,but he said, .'I'M Gonna have a healing, a reunion of those healing angels." Remember Emma? Bj: yeah , um hum . Mb: and - Bj: when she'd come around, it'd be a wind, like a whirlwind form around the saints and they'd be healed. Mb: there'd be a healing, ha ha - this is gettin too weird{ anyway, I'm gonna forget Emma (dj laughter) but, like 808 called me one time - Bj: they got healed though! Mb: he said, "I'm gonna get you into unbelief if i keep talking to you."AND He said, ..YOU Believe me now, if i keep talkin, you won't believe me, because you," he said, "because you're $0 new at this stuff,you'll get into unbelief." Course i said, "keep tellin me, keep tellin me." He begun to tell me and i said, "ah - that can't be true!" and he said, "i told you you'd get into unbelief!" Bj: (laughter) Mb: and so, i know from experience, sometimes if you don't live in the realm that we live in - - Bj: (laughter) yeah (laughter) Mb: i mean, I've heard so much of it that i rfatf -y believe it, i haven't seen any of it ever, but, you know, i know how to get nothin but - -so he said that he would bring a reunion of those angels and they would be a great, when those angels came together, he would cause them to dwell in this city for a season and there'd be an outpouring of such magnitude - - Bj: amen! Mb: he said that we wouldn't hardly, couldn't hardly comprehend it and Dominus was coming in that rocking chair to tell bob, "calm down."HE Said, "I've got my eyes on the boys." He says, they got some problems here and there, "I'm gonna take care of it, don't worry about it because I'm gonna be calling a healing, a reunion in the next several years and you're gonna see it, don't de fretting, bob,because the purpose is digger than you and then, it's me." Bj: amen Mb: and so he came. He said, "I'm going to visit these guys." And so Bob told us, "you're goin to have a vision and a friend of yours is goin to come and he's going to look - and he's goin to come as don. He's gonna become as a familiar friend," he said. "don't miss it!" he said, "he's coming!" and so about two or three days later, Bob Scott had a, he, bob has abut one or two dreams a year, that are, that they're so intensely draffatic that he remembers them for years and years and years. He doesn't have a lot of them, but when he has one,he writes it down and he - and its just so, powerful. Well - he had one of those dreams - and his friend don. A friend of his, a good friend of his from st. Louis, appears in the dream and gives him this message and walks through this scenario with him of the power of god bursting forth and da-da-da-dah - the dream ism't so important, thedetails, the point of it was - the power of god was coming in a great way - Bj: mmmmm Mb: and that the arsenal of the lord would be released and that'8 the gifts of the spirit. Bj: hallelujah! Mb: to the body - Bj: hallelujah! Mb: and so i mean, bob woke up that day, he was so excited, he told me the whole thing. He says, he goes, "but the thing i can't understand is why this don was so central to it?" Now this is only three days after this thing with bob and we forgot all about Dominus and i said,"i don't know either, that's really funny. Why would don be in it?"SO We called bob up and you know, and we said, "bob", and this is real funny, and we said, "we got something to tell you this time."AND Since bob always has all the visions, we go, ..WE Got a vision,"you know, me and bob said, "yeah, we got one now." So we cone over to his house and told him, we says, "what do you think it means?" He goes, "well, that's don, the guy i told you about." And bob looks at me and he goes, (cause i know this don and he knows don) he goes,..THAT Can't be the lord!.' For those of you from st. Louis, it was donnie flynn from st. Louis, a real close friend of 808's. He goes,"Donnie Flynn is Jesus?" And i go - i go, "man - that can't be388051" (laughter) i said, ..HEWS Our buddy, don!" i said. Bob said, "well, you unbelievers, i told you you were going to do – see this!" And me and 808 got in the car and we drove home and 808 says,"what do you think?" And i said, "rah, that can't be Jesus!" I said, "i don't know what it means, but it was about the power of god." And 80895 shakin his head and he goes, ..YOU Guys are never going to learn the language of the spirit, are you? Never going to learn." He goes, "Jesus appears in thousands of different faces to portray something. He was trying to say, 'I'm your friend, i am your familiar friend and I'm going to show you all things so you can move in the power of the spirit'." And like Jesus said, that 15 you know,his father showed him all things and, meaning, i don't mean – my emphasis isn't the word all, but my emphasis is that he's going to show us things, cause you canst move in the spirit if be doesn't show you things, and so then 808 said, "now, mike, you're going to have a vision, a visitation from don, too. I'm tellin you - and he's going to confirm it to you." And so then a couple of days later, i just don't, you know, it'$ so, in retrospect, it seems so foolish, but,when i had it, i still didn't think it was don, you know? Ha ha -and it seems so stupid now, but in the present tense, it just didn't seem - that can't be the lord! And i saw a, one of the brothers in the fellowship here, don stead man, and he comes to me and boy, i – it was in the night, but it was, you understand, it was not a dream, it was something else different than a dream, and 808 says a few times,he says, "was that a dream or a trance, or a vision?" And 808 goes,"well, it was neither, i was there," (laughter) and i go, "what do you mean, you were there?" He goes, "well, haven't you ever been there?" I said, "i don't think i have." And he says, "well" he says, ..ON Occasions, I'm there, it'$ not a vision, it's not a trance,I'm there." I never understood what that meant, but i don't, I wasn't there, but it, it was something more than a spiritual dream and what had happened to me is that i was in a vast auditorium and I was in the back of the room, and this was a promise of mfa!INC – for our entire purpose. I was in the back of the room, and all of a sudden the worship team was up front, of which bob always said that"the anointing was going to come first in the high praises." And That the lord's going to anoint the high praises and there's gong to be healing associated with the praises first. At least in this stream it's going to work that way, I'm mot sure it works that way in every other stream or movement, but at least that was his order for this one, so that's why the lord was going to anoint the dance and the song and those are very important to the lord because that was what was going to prepare this movement in all the locations for the move of god. It would be the dance and the song - and those kind of things - and so I'm at the back of the room with my friend don steadmam who's been a good buddy of mime for years, and we're lookin up there and they're up there leading worship and all of a sudden I intuitively knew there was going to be am altar call. And i looked at don and i was standin back there and i said, "i better get up there." And he looked at me and he just smiled, he said, "you'd better go on up there." And i started runnin down the aisle - it was about five times bigger than this place here - i mean it was – it took me about, it seemed like a long time to get from the back to the front. And so i said, "i better get up there" and as I'm running up there, all of a sudden. People spontaneous. It's all the song and the song the lord's going up, people started jumping up and running down there'd been mo announcement to come rum down - and i said, "oh my land,-"god's move!" i knew that intuitively - and so i was reaching forward and i put my hand on somebody's head and i said, "in the name of Jesus de healed!" and that person just was wiped out in the spirit. They just - - they were just out and i was jogging, i was kind of trotting down. Because there was an urgency and people were running to the altar and i ran a little faster and i touched two more people in front of me and like eight of them went down - and they were all healed and then i turned around and i said "you bb heated"and like that and about ten or twenty of them, they all went down. I said, "this is incredible!" and so as I'm going down, running down,ism just putting my hand over sections, going, "in the name of Jesus"and whole sections \ere falling out under the power of god. Bj: hallelujah! (clapping) Mb: and so then, well that's good. So ism running down one aisle. It's avast place and as I'm getting to the front, i look over there and there's men and women running down all The aisles doing the same thing every\here and the power - and just people were just laid out everywhere. I mean thousands of them by the power of god and the song and the singers kept singing and worshipping and i mean it got intense and then i mean people were `hfa[ed and weeping and i said..'THIS Is incredible". I said, "revival has come!" I said, "the visitation of god has come." And so nov it.s over and i go back to the wall and there.s don smiling at the \ai! And i said, "mn, this is incredible, the lord has cumin and he said, "yes, the lord's gonna come, you're right." And it was over and so i \as tfi!IN Bob,i said, "bob," we \ere at the south auditorium of the school. I said, "dob, you're not going to believe it. I had this incredible dream." I said, "but i don' know why don steadman was in it." And he said, "well, you guys are tryin my patience 50 much." He 5aid,"the lord 5aid he wa5 gonna appear to you two - you're 50 dull," he5aid, .'I Can't take it, lord!.. And i 5aid, i looked at bob 5cott, i5aid, "do you think that wa5 the lord!" dob scott gore, "8071 icanst imagine don being the lord!" (laughter) and now li5ten tothi5, thi5 wa5 the bizarre thing, we decided to believe, we're up there and mark hendrickson said, "you guys," he sates "i wa5 with you, he 5aid don would appear to both of you - isn't that what happened in the last seven day5?.. We looked at each other, because none of u5, bob and myself almost never, ever get dreams. I 5aid,'.THAT Wa5 pretty heavy duty..' And i 5aid, ..\Hat do you think, 8082"and he said, "boy, i bet it's really rightf" and we \ere on the5tage up there talkin, and see, he wa5 mad at us, he was gettin out there and he sate, "ism 50 tired of these hides lord, ism quittin!*And 50 I'm 5tanding up there talking to mark hendrick5on and bob scott was just walking away and they were having a play, a spring play, it was the spring of '85 and i looked down and on the ground,this was amazing, i don't know if it was the guy's name, over and on the tape was spelled don, d-o-n, and I'm standing on it and i looked down, that huey of been the guys name who pulled the curtains or something, cause it was over by the curtains, - i said, "that is incredible!" i said, #*what else do i need?" And i looked down and I go "ahhhhhhhhhhhi" and there it is! Don! I said, '*i believe god, I believe!" and mark said, "look at that - that's his name!" And bob said, "the lord said that he was going to be a friend to thi5people." He 5aid, "I've committed myself to be the friend of this movement." Bj: yes Mb: "and you will bee that my friends see. I will show my friend all THINGs It says in john is and that will be the key to you moving in the power of the spirits for i will show you all Things." And 50that's our Dominus story, 50 I'm, that wa5sthe fun one, amen. Some of them called on the telephone, they didn't all come actually to sit in your living room? Bj: no. But they came and they came from everyplace at that time. Mb: they were calling from other nations - everything. Bj: and so they joby came from everyplace and they came. I wa5 told to5tay on the divan, they came to the house and they came from at!OVER, and many of them came and the lord 5howed them my face clear,many come from Canada, knowing my face, they come from booth America,they'd y de5cribe me before they came, from ail over. The lord was getting me back alec in the faith, 50 that i could minister and I noticed that, oh, july and augu5t, when i would pray for people it was really hot, and there~would be a wind come that was ju5t like off of the north pole and the wind5 would come with three people and many of these people now, are moving in the signs and wonders in many different places throughout the world now, and different times. The winds would come with them, when the spirit of the lord is released through them, so there come that real anointing that fall, but we only received the earnest of it, we're still waiting for the main down-payment. Mb: yeah. We don't - we haven't seen any manifestation, cause the lord said if the foundation is not in order, if the right people, if the hearts are not joined rightly together, and we've got about 25 – I guess there's 45 full time people in our whole thing here, but, he's talking about a lot more than that, there's quite a number yet even to come in before the foundation's in, in a way that can hold the pressure of increase, because like noel had a vision one night in october '84 of, probably the most dramatic vision he'$ ever had where he saw a time where 7,000 converts a week will come into the increase of the church in Kansas city in area alone and that's gonna happen in a number of different cities. He said, "there will be a time - a period of time" the lord spoke to him in an open vision one night in october '84, "7,000 converts a week will be added in the dayof his visitation." He said, "the structure has to be in order - " Bj: amen Mb: he said, "there has to be a bunch of full-time leaders joined and the lay-leaders have got to be ready and a lot of them are going to be released after that time of visitation and they have to be unified,they have to have affection for one another, they have to be grounded in unity around the principles that god has given us, and we have to be in divine order with our place in the structure of god's divine order. And he said, "that is going to be that foundation." He said,'if you want to see the fruit remain for a long time, the order and the structure has to be in place and the intercession, you have to have a history of intercession, you can't begin intercession then,you have to have a history of intercession before that time." And so the lord told us from the beginning through bob that though there might be little releases here and there, there was something - a ten and fifteen year cycle that he was building it for. And you know. No one (i was 27 when i came on) no one 27 years old wants to hear about fifteen years - i said, "oh, lord, i don"t even want to hear that!""THAT'S Half my libbi" you know? And he said, "it doesn't matter,it will come in due time." He said, "fifteen years will be here and gone." He said, "there's seven year purposes, a fifteen year and there's a thirty year, there's all kinds of different releases and you candy hake it go any faster, you know, be kept for that which the lord ordains by obedience." He said, "the lord has his timing and you have to accept that timing." And so, it's very important that we understand that the lord's building something before he adds an anointing upon it - so he's always told us, remember when he told us to stay in the house of the faithful and the wise? I'd like to just share that one. He said, "don't co chasing activity right now." He said, "there'll be much activity in the nations, lots of outpouring in other places, but the lord said the outpouring in this movement will be even prolonged down the road from other movements." He said,.DON'T Chase the anointing and the outpouring of other movements because the foundations must be right before the increase comes and they're on a whole different plan and a whole different pattern than you're on.. And the lord told bob, "tell them to be stable because a lot of other groups are going to be anointed first, don't chase them, stay in the house of the faithful and the wise in the prayer room, work out your relationships, build together in friendship,build till you find the other locations that the lord wants you to have in that first five and ten year cycles." Just share a little bit about the house of the faithful and the wise if you can remember that. Bj: well, i remember that he said them are going to be - Bm: this was '84 again - Bj: yeah, '.TELL Them that I'm transferrin them to the house of the watchful and the wise - Mb: oh yeah, that's it, the watchful and the wise - Bj: be watchful and be wise and "this is where they're coin to be and this is where they're coin to stay for awhile." Mb: and he's gonna try us, he's gonna try our patience by making us wait when he anoints other places. Bj: and "if you start, if you hear I'm in California and you go out there loomis for me, you'll miss me in Kansas city. You're coin to find me by the still small voice and tell them to just be watchful and to be wise and to wait and to let me to bring the cross-pollination with the groups that i want them to, for they'll be like many that seem like they're movin in mighty power, but all they're movin in is great charisma within themselves and they'll be bringing great testimonies of deliverance, but they won't be really any deliverance and i've called you and you should get a hold of me in the house that i'm setting you in by seiko watchful and wise." Mb: that's the proud, now the great charisma, he wasn't talkin about the other movements that god ordained we've cross-pollinate, he gave him even specific instructions about a certain group of people that were movin in charismas, he gave me the names of the people, don't follow them which, - so don't mistake that for the other movement that god's going to be anointing first as meaning that, that's not what he means by that, but he gave me the specific men, remember, they were driving in that car in a vision, you said don't jump on that bandwagon ofthat car - Bj: amen Mb: but wait in the house of prayer. But he said that we would be tempted. He said the same thing about California, cause you're gonna see California, which to me is the vineyards movement because you're going to be greatly tempted. I saw the out-pouring and the manifestations and boy! I was tempted! I said, "oh, god, i want tose with them! We want to do what they're doing, we want to link up!"and the lord said. "no, you stay in the prayer room." - Bj: amen! Mb: "because your purpose ooe5n't even, isn't even revealed for the'90's." Now this is like '83 and '84. I said "the 90957" and he said, "you won't even be revealed till the '90's. God has ordained other movements to come forth in the 98095 and still on. But you won't. Even de known as by the power of cod until in the '90's." He said, "I'm building a different kind of structure and a different work." So he warned us to stay in the house of the watchful and the wise, that's why we've gotta labor even in that barren prayer room,it's the will of god to be in that prayer room. Bj: absolutely! It's not as darren as you think - Mb: it seems that way - ha ha Bj: you plant a seed, you plant an olive tree, you don't have olives for several years. But you'll absolutely have em. Mb: okay, now I'm gonna share about the psalm 28 and the solemn assembly i want to share that tomorrow morning or tomorrow night. I shared that in '86, but it's a very significant one that we shared in,again, that it was may, i can even remember the day, it was the 14thday after may 7th, so what's that? May 2157, that's a Saturday, may21st was a Saturday, cause yeah, it's just like it is this year, five years ago when the 21 day fast here went on, the dates are just like it is, like on may 28th. Today. Five years ago is when we broke bread together at the end of the 21 days, it was a Saturday night just like now, may 28th. And so the times, so it would of been five years ago last Saturday. What had happened was actuat1.7 on the friday morning Bob came to me and he said, "i had a," he said, "the lord spoke tome audibly again, he gave me the word," he said that, "psalm 28 is the psalm for this movement," remember that? Bj: yep! Mb: and he said, "go read psalm 28." And you know we had the eighteen hours of prayer of intercession, the whole day, and for some reason,i had eighteen hours of prayer, i never looked at psalm 28. Now you would think if god spoke to you audibly, i mean the more i tell these stories the more, - i really was bad news, wasn't i? I mean i just didn't want to see it that way then. (laughter) and for some reason i didn't look at psalm 28 and i had eighteen hours to - from six in the morning till midnight in the intercession of those days and for some reason i didn't look the whole day and so then the next day Bob comes to me and he said, ..DID You check over psalm 28? I mean,that's the promise for this movement." I said, "i can't believe thati didn't even, i forgot all about it." He goes, "forgot!" he goes,"it's the audible voice of God i" i said, "man, you're right i" so Saturday goes by and you're not going to believe this, i didn't look Saturday - (laughter) - i forgot again - (dj laughter) - you like that? And - Bj: I've lived through it. (laughter) Mb: and i just think it was the lord maxim me forget - Bj: ho ho ho - i don't (laughter) Mb: and so what happened, it's a hard day Saturday, you remember ho\ the bus was going to back hill, he said this \hole thing was like a bus on a hill with no drakes going backwards, that's what that fast was like, and we were out of control because we were so discouraged cause there was just, it seemed like no grace at all it was so terribly hard and' darren and cause I'd promised all the people, "oh,the power of god is gonna fall!" (much laughter). I mean, hey, he's Gabriel appeared. The comet appeared. I thought, "what do you appearin for? To kill us?" Doy, that didn't sound very charismatic,that's what he appeared for, was to kill us, you're right! But i was a charismatic then and so i promised everybody glory and power, it was terrible, people were getting angry, you said, "this is terrible," and i said, '.I Know" and so \hat happens now, it's 113159i remember it just like it was yesterday, it was 11315 on Saturday night on may 2157 1983 and we only had seven days to go and this thing was going to de over and i \as, i said, "Well" and we had forty-five more minutes to go for the day to de over and i \as so tired, it \as terrible and everybody was, it was terrible and I remember i would de at a prayer meeting because we had people praying on the microphone like in our prayer meeting and we went the whole eighteen hours and like whenever somebody quit, maybe two or three minutes, I'd peek up from my little place and I'd look at someone,everybody would look down, you know, louie, i go, .'LOUIE Get up there and pray, it's your turn." Louie would come up and give it twenty minutes and then when louie'd get done, terry hartley would de out there, I'd look at her and she'd go, #noi" and I'd say, "get up there." And there \as, we kept, you know, because i was so tired of prayin. I said, "i gave my three turns today, you guys do it, so terry said, "I've y been up there three times, get louie again." You know, because i remember I'd look around the room to try to get somebody to go up there and everybody's head would go down because they didn't want to lead in prayer - it \as so hard and I said, "oh, forget it, i don't care if we don't pray the last forty-five minutes.. And so i just went over there and just - and then I remembered psalm 28. I said, "I'm coin to look at it." And all of a sudden i opened psalm 28 and i look at one sentence and the psalm doesn't look very dramatic at all, i mean it's only about five or six verses and it didn't seem to say anything unusual - i look at one sentence and I'm kneeling down and I'm in the power of god in a way that I've probably experienced two times in my life, I'm not just talking about a normal experience, it just came right through me,right there. Instantly, i couldn't even read the second sentence of the first verse and it took about a second and a half maybe two seconds. I was in a full blown intercessory, travailing burden, I mean i was so barren - i bowed down, i looked at one sentence and I was just wailing inside - instantly - the power of god went s-w-0-o-p and i mean i didn't know what happened to me and that only happened to me once or twice in my life and all the times in the prayer meetings and i put my face in a pillow because i was just weeping, it was going through me with such power and the power of god was righthere - 1'm going to stand up to tell it, this is too hard to sit down now you can do this. I gan't. Anyway, the power of god was goingright here and it was like electricity and it was going through my whole body and i oon't know, I'm weeping and travailing. I'm tryingto find out what the second line of verse i is - you know i can't even get to it. And the power of god goes right up through, right here, just like a line 'and it rests on my face, burning, just like fire and electricity and it goes for five to seven, eight minutes,them it goes back down very distinctly and i barely, you know i get like the first verse finished and then the thing hits me again,another wave of burden and travail and intercession and nobody knows whats going on around cause I'm buried in a corner with pillows over me cause I'm kind of embarrassed, cause i thought, "what is going on?" But at least there's a little bit of life happening, you know?BUT Then the' thing comes right back down here and them it comes right back up distinctly. It goes right down my both arms and it rests with fire and power in my hands. Then five to seven minutes and by the way, I've made my way through the verse okay. I mean through the whole six verses or however, then the power comes right back down,right through my stomach, burning i mean, shaking, just trembling like that, and it comes back up and it reaches my mouth again and it does that three times and it lifts then, just startin to lift and its twelve o'clock and man, everybody, we didn't pray till one after twelve, 1 mean, we quit at twelve - 0 -0 because we had to get home -go to sleep - get back by 6300 a.m. The next morning and so there wasnt fellowship and lingering around after. People just darted home you know, maybe there would be one or two hundred people there at12:00 at night and so I'm so happy because the lord lets me know. He said, 991795 a healing anointing. It's a promise of healing." And intuitively i knew that it was not the promise of an abiding anointing right now because the one word that god gave bob was that"when my spirit comes. There will be an abiding anointing, it wom't come for two years and be gone, it won't come for seven years. When my spirit falls, though it will ebb and flow in seasons, it will be upon you until the end as a people, you will see it until the end of my purposes." He said, "so once it begins. It will increase. Though there will be an ebb and flow of intensity on occasions, i mean through different season." And so i understood. I said. "god is visiting me as a promise of healing." And i believed in my heart because I'd read the stories of a number of men of god who had dramatic, supernatural experiences, but the promise didn't come to pass for two or three years, you know, where the angel stood before the man and said, "da-da-da-dah". And it was two years before they ever moved in it and i said, - and after this meeting i was so happy- oh - i remember I'd go, "oh glory to god!". You know, I'd say to anybody, `praise the lord!" and they'd say, "what got into hint"you know, and everybody sits down, i says, "oh this is good, isn't it?" And they're all staring at me and i didn't want to tell anybody because i had to know from god what it was and the way that god was movin so strong was, bob would get a word, and so, i go home, and oh,diane looked at me and said, "what are you so giddy about?" I said,"it happened!" She said, "what happened?" I said, ..THE Spirit of god fell on me, i mean it was incredible, it went through me like power and electricity. The lord is saying that the healing that he promised is going to come!" and oh, i was so excited and i said,.`Now don't say nothing, i mean, I'm not going td tell nobody because have to hear this from another witness or i won't know how to interpret this." So i got up the next morning, oh, i was so wide awake the next morning, i was just so happy to come to church, it was sunday morning, the next morning, and i had a dream in which the lord spoke to me about the healing anointing in the dream and of which like i said, i probably have .LIKE Three special dreams a year, and I twas a powerful experience, i said, "oh, god, you've confirmed it tome, but it has to be a witness outside of me." And so i come here sunday morning, we're all there at six, maybe a couple hundred people at six 0'clock in the morning and I'm waitin for bob. I knew that the service was at ten. I knew if he came before ten, i knew he saw it, you know i remember i went to bed the night before and this seems kind of faulty theology, i was pleading with the lord, "oh, please,let bob see it lord, I'll never believe it if he doesn't see it. I have to have another witness outside of myself." I could see the lord saying, "now calm down, I'm the one that gave it to you, i'll take care of it." And i was saying, "oh, lord, please, i have to know if this is you." So i wake up the next morning and I'm looking for bod at six. I didn't expect him till about eight at the earliest. You know, and I'm praying and the lord speaks two words tome directly, he give me i cob. 15810, it says, "it's all grace, the labor will be by the grace of god." And he gives me Matthew 1088 you know where they raise the dead, heal the sick, the lepers and the demons. And I'm reading those two and I'm just, oh, so enjoying the presence of god. It was one of the few times that the power of thelord, the presence of the lord - it was nothing like the night before- but - oh i was so excited. It was the word was alive and i thought- it's broke. Well nothing rfaily broke, but i thought maybe, oh -we're in, we're in the money. And so 305 comes walking in about10800. I remember i was praying up there at the front because i had a little cobby-hole up there against the \all up there and i peeked up over the platform and there's 808 walkin in the door about 8800.NOW I knew if he came in at 8800, i knew he saw it, cause he wouldn't come in if he did't and he comes \walkin in the door and i looked at, _him and 808 goes like this, (laughter). And he goes - thumbs up. He shook his head. He goes, 'meet you in the office." Like he was back there and i was there, i go, "oh, god - this is incredible!" so i go running across there and 80895 shakin his head and we go back to our office over there and he says, '.WELL. Praise god, tell me what happend." I said, .'OH No - bob i can't. You've got to tell me what happend to me or I'll never believe it." He says, "well, it was really something last night, wash't it!" i said, "i can't tell you,just tell me - please hurry up - i can't wait!" And he says, i said,..I'M Not going to tell you anythings. That's one of the times I normally. I tried to be so like, "well, what do you think?" And I was a little bit on the edge that day and bob says. "well, the lord appeared to me last night." I said, ..YEAH?" And he goes, '.WELL, you know what he said." I goes, ..CONE On, just tell me." He said, "the lord took this banner - a what do you call it? A sash or something"and he said. ..HE Had this manner and it said, 'jehovah rapha, i am the lord that healeth thee.'" He said he came and he took this banner and he placed it upon you and he said that he anointed you asa representative. It wasn't you, as a representative of this movement and all the places it would go in the ends of the earth. He said heanointed you as a seal of promise for healing last night, didnit bets*i said, "i can't tell you, you've got to tell me more - finish the story. I'm not tellih you nothih. You've got to tell me everything first." And~he said. "he put on a sash, jehovah rapha, i am the lordthat healeth thee." He said, "last night he gave you the promise ofa healing license." He said, "the lord said that unto this people there is no disease known to man that would stand and prevail against them. He says, "every disease known to man, the power that i will put upon this people will break the Power of any diseases." And he said, "the lord told me to tell you to put my fingers up and say the number five." "grace be unto you". And it was the i cob. 15210verse and he told me to speak to you the promise of Matthew 1038, he says, "for you shall heal the sick, you shall raise the dead, the lepers will be cleansed and the demons will be cast out, but in the timing of tthe lord." He said. "now this is a promise for all the people that will gone after this." He said, "now listen carefully,the lord told me to tell you," (he looked right in my eyes). He said,..AS Long as you don't get into malpractice, if you don't get intomal practice, you will never lose the license to heal without measure." I says, "what do you meant" he said, "the lord told me to tell you and it's true of everyone that he anoints in this movement in that special way, everyone's going to be anointed, but god's going to raise up leadership that's going to bear ah anointing to travel t othe nations and stuff. It will be a distinct thing, like the leadership of the new testament. He's going to have the 300,000 so whatever portion of the 300,000 that's in this movement will have that anointing in one level or the other. He said. "he looked at meand he said, 'look at me, if you don't get into malpractice. You wil l never.' He said, 'this is individually true. And it's corporately true, but any of you that get into malpractice, if you use this anointing to make money at all, and if you use this anointing to many thing with immorality to gain the hearts ok the confidence of people amd 8rimg it into immorality, ok if any of you use this anointing at all to open doors of pride, to make a name for yourselves,' the lord said, i will take dace the license to hfat.." He said, .'BUT If you never get into malpractice the lord told me to say,'jehovah rapha, i am the lord that healeth thee. I've given thee a license to heal without measure every sickness known to man in the appointed time.'" And oh, it was just am incredible experience and then that morning, those of you who can remem8er, we had a release a minimal release of which we'd seen almost no grace at all and that particular morning - couples were praying for people and people were gettin touched and the power of god was slttls them - they was just falling under the power of the spirit everywhere - and it happene done time and then it was gone after that and the lord said, "it's only a down payment. This is not the time." He said, ..THE Structure is not in order. The leadership has not come yet, the people aren't in friendship and affection. I'm talking about the leadership together. To where they can stand the strain of pressure of increase, because it is not for this time." And then he told, go ahead and tale about that - the power in the hand. He said, "theewill de those in your midst that come." And mention that about the thing he showed you like that - Bj: .'THEY'LL~~come and there'll be a power, especially in the evangelist's hands and he'll simply wave it over the body and you'll see light cone on people in the body when he does this and they'll be mfa!EDAND All of you will be able to see the light and there'll be thousands of people out there and the people that move in this will just simply begin to pray over the audience and the angels of the lord will come on them and then light will encircle them and with out any man layin hands upon them, they'll totally be healed. They'll de delivered, they'll be set free." Mb: and he said that, the verse - it's hab8akuk 3247 Bj: yeah Mb: and he said that in the hiding, god's power would be in the hiding and the shadow of his hand and he went on to say, even that morning,he said, "god's going to raise up evangelists, he's going to send them even to the nations of the earth," and he said specifically Africa and china. He said the lord showed him a vision at that time,he said, "there'll de a crowd of like 4 to 5 million people out there like in china and in Africa where the two countries associate." He said "and the evangelist, now like it says, this isn't just for this movement - but it's the promise of the evangelist of this movement of the highest level of anointing." He said, "they will simply raise their hands and they'll start at one end of this vast 4 to 5 million crowd and they'll go slowly and wherever the light comes, many people will see the actual ray of light come out of the hand, they'll see it visibly with their eyes". And he said that "if there's a person without an arm - like there - just like that". He said, "that glow will actually appear visible to everyone around on the elbow and the arm will shoot out immediately.. Bj: amen Mb: he said, "everyone with cancer, wherever they have cancer, there'll be a glowing light and everyone around will see it and the power of god will de on the person. If there's a demon." You know, "it will appear, the glory will rest." And he said, .'AND These evangelists,these great end-time evangelists, well they will lift their hands like this and they'll go slowly," he said, "just in a matter op four or five minutes they'll go across the entire crowd and he said, "the lord will bring forth in a day, one million converts in a meeting."HE Said, "and that's the kind op power that's going to de coming."(CLAPPING) Bj: amen Mb: one million converts, he says, and he'll raise up others of lesser stature in the anointing and they will do it in other places, but he said the great harvest field of the earth, some of it will de in America, i doubt it will de the 5 million at a time, but he said,'.HESS Going to set apart especially the evangelists, especiatty thee vangelists that he galls and they will have the power op god in their hands." But he said, "if you don't have the foundations in when the increase comes, the whole thing will crush everything that was built before it." That's why he said "stay in the house of the watghful and the wise, you cannot get in a hurry because of religious people that start building the cghurch according to some plan prom a book, you must obey explicitly the present tense obedience to the will of god or you will get yourself in trouble." Amen. You want tosay anymore about that? Whew - I'm all excited, man - that was so powerful on that day when he showed me that, i said, "god, this isthe most exciting thing - that there would de and the other thing was the fagt about the abiding anointing because he said, "most revivalsin history, the anointing appeared for two or three years or for sixyears or four years and left - like azusa street or the healing revival, the~welch revival and a number of places." But he said,#.THERE'LL De an abiding anointing on this thing and it willcontinue." What did the lord say about your baby girl? He was just telling me something, he goes "julie" - that's his baby girl, what'd he say, tell me - Bj: well -l -l, daddy was watchin her just propecying the word op thelord just straight, one right after another, her and walt. I was soblessed, saw her just yield and let the spirit op prophecy speak`through her the last three days when she was helpim me up there inprophegy, it just made my father's heart sorta get proud. It brattyblessed me - I'll tell you the young prophets here who are helpin us71-upstairs, and the lord had told me in this meeting that I'd been onmy face - in the house of faith and he said, "you been latin down inthe house of faith, get up, and get out into the field and begin towork with jesse, so i looked to see what jesse meant, it says'grace', and what the lord was tellin me in this vision, get up andgo to work, for faith without works is dead, get up and go to workand there'll de all the grace you need out there, don't de concerned,and so the prophets that helped john paul and myself, there was suchgrace upstairs, these people we been prayin for, and the youngprophets stood there and I'll tell ya, their anointings were as goodas ours! We could stand back and let walt and julie and some of therest of em speak right into other people's hearts - and they weredead center - so that really blesses me. Mb: good, so bob leaned over and said, "i'ye got to tell you what mylittle baby girl - he thinks he owns most of you guys, he thinksyou're all his little babies - anyway. I think that's sweet, okay,dod, I'd like you to tell them about the vision of paul, the end-timewhen you saw paul in heaven. Bj: in some of the - Mb: wait, wait a second, paul cain. We didn't see you in heaven. We knowyou're gonna de. Paul's gettin a little nervous down there. He says,"the prophets have seen me in heaven alreadyi" Bj: (laughter) Mb: we ' re talkin about the first paul, not the second one. Bj: (laughter) in some of those times that some of you think of darrenseason, the lord used to come and give me visitation in the beginningand one time he came and he said, "come on, you're going to like thistrip." And so we went to heaven! And he begin to show me thedifferent levels in heaven. There's different levels there! Hebegin to show me the fruit and he begin to show me that all fivesenses are golden there. Every one of your senses, your eyes havesuch beauty to behold there, your ears hear such beauty and hear suchbeautiful praise comin to em. Even the rivers that flow there signpraises, the winds that blow in the trees have praise, the birds, thesong birds we have here, they get their songs from them song birds upthere, and everything there is beautiful. The sense of smell isbeyond anything i can describe to you and taste - the fruit there andthe water there, you can taste it. It is beyond anything i candescribe, all the senses become golden there and i could lay down inthe meadows of flowers there and sleep for a thousand years, thepeace and the joy there, there's no darkness there. There's notlight if you know it's there - everything is light there - everythinghas light of itself. Mb: how about the angels, did you talk to them? Bj: oh, well - they just come flo&tin by - just walkin by - and many ofthem are in praise and you can go into places that you go. There'sdifferent levels of maturity there and everybody is ministerin tosomebody else and they're all in praise - they aren't lo&fin.they're all doihg a work! There's tremendous activity there! And sothe lord was showin me all that and i cot to taste the fruits andthen i said, "do we have to hurry?" I would of like to stayed a fewthousand years right here. The trees there are in comparison to someof the trees here and the smells that come like through the cedarshere, they come through the ced&rs there, the honeysuckle, the roseand the beautiful smells and it's just like that you can move in andthere's nothin crushed or hurt there, if you step on the grass, itism't bruised, you don't lose a flower, everything is - all thesenses are golden - but the main thing that comes is a attitude ofpeace. And he said, "who would you like to see?" Oh, pauli Mb: wait, wait, the lord just said who would you like to see? Bj: yeah and i said, .THE Apostle paul, and he said. "there he is..# And ilooked at this man and i said, "that's not pauli" "yes, that ispaul." .'THAT'S Fault" "yeah" uh, little bitty man with an over-sized bald head - and his head was sort of cocked on the side andhe's sort of stooped shoulders and i looked at him and i could seethat this body had rfatjy suffered and i said, "lord, you mean thatthis man endured all that i read?" He said. "yeah" but - he lookssort of deformed. "he really is a little bit that&way because of allthe sufferin that he went through." And he had the regular form thathe wore here on earth. And the lord said, "walk up and look at himin the eyes." And i did - and lookin into his eyes was like looxininto Jesus' eyes - there was such love there in his eyes that it'djust reach out and touch you and i says, "oh, lord, i want to talk tohim, i want to ask him some questions." And the lord says, "youdon't have the right." "oh", he said, "it ism't what you think, bob,you're righteous enough to ask him the questions, but paul has theright to ask you the first question. The reason he's lookin at youso lovin is he died for people like you. He died for the gospel. Heprayed for the gospel. He loved the church and he has the right toyour testimony first, he died for it, he was martyred for it, hesuffered for it, he was imprisoned for it and he's gonna want to knowwhat you did with it, he's gonna want to know about how Jesus wasglorified in the last days and therefore you see. Bob, he has theright to the first testimony before you can ask him to give his."WHEN We get in heaven, you end-time saints are goino to be givineternal testimonies that'll glorify Christ. Throughout thisgeneration, throughout eternity and see these saints that have goneon ahead, they have bled and died for the bible you read. They paidwith it with their intercession, their tears and their lives andthere's going to be an answer to all of that and paul is coin to wantto know, did you grow up? Did you move in the signs and the wondersand the miracles i wrote of? Did you reveal the glory of god and theglorious church upon the land? And he's odin to want to know howmany was saved. How many was brought in. How many came to thematurity that i spoke of dy faith and we're coin to be standin beforesaints in heaven and i prayed that i have a testimony that i can givea little somethin on because they have made the way. Mb: bob, one thing that i want you to add to that. That's theaccountability factor, but there's another factor - that paul wasanxious - cause he said that he came running up to him and he said,'.YOU'RE Paul... And he said, "but you're a prophet from tue end-tlj[e generationn you'ye far surpassed, your generation, mine." And he says, "and i have a right to hear you first." Because paul was anxious td talk td the end-time apostles and prophets more than the end-time apostles and prophets would of been to talk to paul. He said, .'BECAUSE What they would dd would go far oreater in the glqr! Of god." Bj: amen Mb: "and the saints in the new testament would wait in line to greet theapostles comino from this generation -" Bj: amen Mb: he said, '.YOU Don't understand where this generation is in thepurposes of god in the eternal sense." And so there was thataccountability factor, that they bled, but there was an excitementfactor because he went up and said, "you're a prophet from the end-time church? Tell me, what was it like down there?" And we would ofthought - we wanted to know from him because we don't understandwhere this generation is going - Bj: amen Mb: cause he talked about the double - mention that about the lord saidabout the double in this one. In this oeneration - that the lordwould give the double in this generation from that one - the doubleanointing in this generation - Bj: oh well - yes - the double anointino - the latter house - if you havestudied in scripture - the latter house or the glorious house is tentimes that of the tabernacle of moses in the wilderness - it's madeaccording to the pattern, so the last house or the glorious housewill be ten tines in glory of the day of pentecost - and that's thedouble it will be in the last generation - Mb: so a double is ten times? Bj: in comparison - the tabernacle of moses td where he appeared in the wilderness - and when David, when solomon built the temple, the measurements are the same. Only the temple is exactly ten times greater and the offerings, the brazen layer, everything was ten times greater, so the latter house - or the double - the lord is sort of speakin to me today about them things - we've got some prophets here they can cut this down if they don't witness with it. But the lord was speakin today about the sons of the prophets. We've got some high-level prophets here- Mb: in the making, you're talking about the young ones - Bj: no, I'm talkin about the old ones that's got some sons, every place they've got sons - and he's speaking paul and royal - about the sons of the prophets, you know, elijah had a son that had his double and the sons of the prophets, the anointing is coming to the sons of the prophets now and the sons of the prophets will have the double, for the sons of the prophets are taught dy the old prophets how to hear that small still voice and the sons of the prophets will have the double because they'll de the leaders, they'll de the apostles of the latter day church, so the sons of the prophets will not only de prophets, but they'll de apostles, because they'll have the double, they'll have the ability to bring that in, David, he didn't build the temple, but his son did. When the old ones that come out of the wilderness, when they come out of the rejection, their sons won't know the rejections that the old ones have. Their sons, because the old one has stood in the way, their sons won't de crippled but they'll de ones that will de the leaders of the end-time church and those leaders will de the sons of the prophets. The old prophets like me, won't de able to `put our hands to the golden ark, but our sons will, they'll dear it and they'll bring it in - and now I'll go to the july 3rd revelation. Mb: july 3rd, 1984, the lord told him in june that he would stand and appear to him on july 3rd, 1984 and so he told us for a month, he goes, "the lord's got a very important message for me on july 3rd." And so - Bj: so on july 3rd - now is this the vision or where were you? I was there, but i had been told for three years that he would appear to me on july the 3rd - Mb: 1984 Bj: and that he would bring a covenant and ok. July th .3rdz .THE Hglz spirit took to :6 ?LACE - this time it wasn't the lord took me. It was the holy spirit. He took me to a place and i saw the lord, high and lifted up dy some young men and he set upon the golden ark and he set upon the mercy seat and j bowed and i begin to praise him and i bowed upon ny knees to worship him and he told ne "stand up and look" and i looked and there were men that had ahold of the golden ark and they had the ark upon their single shoulders 'and the government shall be upon his shoulder' and i said, '.OH, lord, can i put my hands to that work and he said, "no, you can't* and i sorta got my feelngs hurt. "i can't lord, but i love you lord." "i know you love ne, but i didn't call you to this work, i called these young ones to it, they're those that you're to watch over. They're the ones that will bear the government on thief shoulders and i love you too - so cone and set at a table with me." And so the lord, he came down from the golden ark and there was a table and we started to go set at the table with the lord and i had to walk funny because my feet were crippled and the lord said, "mehphibosheth, put your feet underneath my table and your crippled feet won't show." And so i set at the table and he said, "ism going to explain some things to you. The leadership that i bring will not be crippled, they won't be lame, your early nursemaids dropped you just as they did mephibosheth, mephibosheth means, this name means 'one that will blow away the shame'. So the old prophets is coin through the desert and through the testin, they stood there in faith and in truth and because they did, they'll still blow away the shame, they'll take the shame off the body of Christ, because their sons will raise up in power and lift up the golden ark on their shoulders and bring the government of god and the glory back into the house of god and i set at the table of the lord and he said, "i want you to study about mefhibosheth, bob, because he had a son" and he does in scripture - and he said, count some name of the young people there." And i looked and there were 35. There were 35 young people that was liftin the ark up - and so i studied. He told me to study the scripture about mephibosheth and his son, mephibosheth had a son. His name was micah. Micah means 'godlike'. Our sons won't have the infirmity or the warfare that we've had to survive and because of the prophets teaching the sons of the prophets, that's why i take fatherly pride in some of my children, cause what I've gone through, they won't have to - every bit of victory in warfare that I've gone through, i can show them how to avoid it, i know where the snake pits are, i know where the quick sand is and therefore those that become the sons and daughters. They can just take the teachings of the old fathers and avoid the traps and the two and three year hang-ups that i had to go through - and so the sons of the prophets, they're going to bear the glory, they're going to bring it in, the leadership. And so he told me as i set there, "set with me and talk to ne." And he told me about these people. Now the visitation probably lasted thirty minutes and very few times do i have permission to ask the lord any questions whatsoever - this time i did and he told me about these and why that they had to be the next generation and the birthing of the next generation and he began to speak to me and explain and if you'll study in there, you'll find that mephibosheth's servant, i believe that he had 15 children, sons and 20 servants - there's 35 there. So there"s two different degrees, even the help there there's a confirmation in that chapter in samuel, even the thirty-five number, but he said, "look me in the eyes, i want you to pray and i want to tell you what to pray." And i said, "yes." He said, "i want you to pray psalms 1231 first and so i prayed psalms 1231 and it begins like this, 'help, lord, for the godly man perishes' what it's really satin there is 'help, lord, cause we don't have any heroes or campions anymore.' We don't have any of them 35 to lift up the glory. We don't have any David or gideon, all we got are those at the top that's revealin shame, we need some people that the body of Christ can look to and say, "they will not sell out. They will serve the lord all the days of their life." And so i prayed that and the lord said, .'808, i will answer that prayer, now i want you to ask me this prayer, that my, i want you to pray" that your faith faileth not and that i help your unbelief." So i said, "lord, help us so that our faith faileth not, and help our unbelief.* And so some of the revelation he brings in strange ways, like buses and things like that, that's where our faith won't fail us - and he's helpin our unbelief to where we can really believe god for his purpose. The last thing he told me to ask for is power and i said, "lord Jesus, will you loose power to us." And he said, "bob, i will answer all your requests." And the vision was over, but the vision began long ago with the rainbow. When he first promised it, i saw a double rainbow over my house, three years before the third of july in '84. I waited three years for that visitation, thinkin each july would be that and when june came in '84, the angels kept comin and saying, .THIS Is the year." They came three times to tell me that it would happen in '84 - it did. The prayers i prayed in '84 is what the lord is odin. He's raising up leadership that will not sell out in immorality or for gold or for fame. Girls, gold and glory is what the glory - the golden shekinah has been sold out for. The leadership he's raisin, which will be both male and female will not sell out for girls, gold or glory, but they will be faithful to the lord in this end-time and their testimonies, even now their temptations is far greater than the things that paul went through. But this world is even more immoral than it was then, so their temptation is even greater, but they will be faithful and true, like him and they will reign and rev t he world that they tr the faithful and true leaders and the government that will bjs u n his single shoulder, just like it says in isaiah - like the pole of the golden ark rests on those 35 people i saw and many i know by faith - but many i saw by faith. I know their calling. Mb: i want to comment on that, this was probably one of the most significant visitations that bob had. Well, I'll make it, just a little different angle of it. The lord, he told us for about a month or so, since the first of june, he said, "on july 3rd," i know it's this year, the lord said this year for sure. He said, "I've been waitin for this thing." And two or three, on probably five or six occasions in the s 1/2 years that we've been together the lord would give him a date a few months down the road and he's appear to him, literally appear to him in the spirit. He'd see him with his eyes. Probably happened, what? Five or six times? - to where it was a major, major word given to him - and i think that this one was probably - i don't know which is the most significant, but this really impacted me. And so he sees the 35 apostles that the lord said would come out of this movement. Now every movement would have it'$ own apostles. Now i think that there'$ a number of different levels of apostolic ministry. I believe that paul said that, "i am not inferior to even the most imminent apostles" in ii cob. 12812. So there's apostles, there's imminent apostles and there's most imminent apostles - just dy the implication of that description. In i cob. 16, paul says, "so and so, they were outstanding among the apostle$." There's various levels of apostles and the lord was showing that he was going to - out of this movement - there would de 35 apostles, not that they would all de at the same time because there might de five or six of them - at least in the 90's and five or six of them at least ten years after that, so I'm not necessarily sure they're all gonna de revealed at the same time, but in this generation there'll de 35 of them that will appear for this movement, that will de of the highest level of apostolic ministry. I believe there'll de hundreds of apostles in this movement. But i think there'll de 35 like unto paul and the lord said the whole government of this movement in it's highest level in all the places it goes, there would de 35 in whom the lord would separate in the highest way the government rests on apostles and prophets, but he said there'd de 35 apostles, specifically and they were carryin the ark, which spoke of his presence - and i must tell your moaning part - is that okay? Bj: that's fine Mb: dod was on the side and the lord was coin and he said, "oh, lord, i want to put my shoulder to the ark of the covenant, i want to do this... The lord said, '.NO, dod.'* And he said, "oh, lord, please." And he said, .'NO, I've not ordained to for you." He said, '*this is not appointed to you." And he said, "oh, lord, i love you." He said, "i love you, dob, but this ism't an issue of me loving you." Dod told me, i don't know what you'd say about it now, but he said, "i was so emotional, i couldn't even hardly hear what he had to say after that. Do you remember that? Bj: yeah (laughter) Mb: i said, "well, dod, listen, for heaven sake, it's important, i hope that you'll" - i could of reached in that vision and slapped nix - pay attention|and he said, "i was so emotional, i didn't even much care what he had to say about you young kids. And the thing I've always loved about dod is that he's always revealed the human dimension in the midst of the divine dimension, and that's why we've always trusted him, because he's always told us the negative with the positive, he's always told us when the lord rebuked him and when he had things that were wrong and he'$ admitted the visions or the things that were born out of his flesh and his imagination and not the spirit, he would always come and tell us that, that's what gave us confidence in him, was his humilty - amway, so there's the 35 and the lord said, '*they're going to bring - great glory will rest upon them. Though i believe there will be hundreds of apostles in this movement and every movement will have it's apostles and prophets, i believe god, he's merging apostles in a number of movements now and he's going to add prophets to the prophets that are already there and he's going to bring us to higher statures. So then, the lord tells him, 'say the prayer, psalms 1221, '.WHERE Are your champions, oh lord, where are those that won't sell out?" And the lord visited you, what? Two months ago and told you the same prayer. Psalm 1221 he told him again just recently. He said, "pray it again." And the prayer of psalm 1221 is the prayer of what? Matthew 9 or what is to pray to the lord of the harvest and he will send laborers, because the laborers are few - and so, it's a prayer that god would release men and women that wonit sell out, that he can anoint before the people and i challenge you to pray that prayer, for his champions - the new american standards calls it "the faithful." Bj: amen Mb: but the lord said, "pray where are the champions?" Now, the significant things for - wait. I'm gonna go to mephibosheth. He said, ..BOB, you're like unto mephibosheth, your tutor' s groffed you." And i didn't understand what that meant. He said, "the order, or the generation of which you were raised, they did not teach you some of the things concerning the next generation. The pattern of my ways. They didn't teach you about some of the issues of life that are necessary, because your tutors, the people that discipled you and trained you left that out of you." He said, "and you will not, you will set at davidbs table, but you won't bear the government like those, but -" he goes, 'i told you that you could encourage the leadership now with this vision, so that they would continue in intercession to pray for the faithful and even some of the people praying out there will become some of the faithful." But i1m sure some of those 35 are not here yet and some of them are still just young - probably in their teens right now and some of em. Probably aren't even born yet and though there's a few that are in our midst that are - even been doing some of the praying and he saw a few of the faces and though he hasn't spoken about that, which 1 felt like that he shouldn't, the lord ought to tell people that and so he held that back, says, "i won't say who i saw there,'. Which i greatly appreciate that. But then the lord told him, itis where it becomes very significant in terms of my faith, the lord told - it's on july 4th that I'm talkin to bob and oh boy, this was, cause you know i got with him, i says, "what happened?" I mean, we've been waitin for six weeks, did he appear?" And he goes, 'he sure did." And of course he kind of moaned over it. He said, "well the lord, he wouldn't let me be in it," he goes, "i don't know if iim gonna tell you." He was just teasin though. Just like that and i said, "oh, come on, bob, don't do this to mei" and then he said, "the lord told me that he was going -" he said, "i want you to go tell mike i m going to visit him and I'm going to give him this very revelation about the apostles coming forth in this movement." And i said, "i don't understand." He said, "the lord is going to take you to the place he took me and show you the same visitation, because this is the thing he wants you to believe for - is the manifestation of these apostles of the highest level." You know, when you hear a word like that, you kinda go like, "oh, my land, i mean like what's gonna happen?" He goes, "i don't know, but it's gonna happen very soon. Then, which it did happen in august, which in my - besides meeting the lord, it was the most dramatic experience, that wasn't dramatic, when i met the lord, but more significant. I had waht i consider the most significant experience before the lord. It was an evening in august where a prophetic ministry from around the nation - out in phoenix, arizona - augustine - he,,called me up on the telephone and he hand't heard about bob's statement that the lord was gonna visit me. He said - dod said - "I'm to tell you that you're to open your heart and you're to de ready cause he is going to visit you and he wants you to know its him when it happens." Augustine calls me on the phone and he said, about 10830 at night, I'd just finished the evening prayer meeting, I'd just walked in the door at 10830 and he said, "the lord said tonight he promised a visitation," "no," he said, "he's promised a visitation to you, hasn't he?" I said, "yeah, he really has." He goes, "i didn't know that, but' the lord said he's gonna visit you tonight, directly face to face." I said, "tonight?" He goes, and i said, "oh man, i can't even go to sleep now." And you know, it's 10830, i tried to fast till 11800 - you know - how do yoo get ready? (laughter). I said, "oh, my gosh," you know and it's nothing like that you know - it's just dad theology. I said, "oh my, maybe I'll hold my breath and you know - wait for it or something." Amazing - i laid down and i fell asleep instantly. I wasn't latin on my pillow three minutes - i was sound asleep - does that sound right? I thought I'd de - i was so anxious when i laid down - i was asleep instantly and at 2816 in the morning - what had happened is that the lord - this is the only time has like this, the lord took my spirit out of my body, i know exactly what he's talkin bout. (well dod, i was there and you don't understand, young man, i was there) (dj laughter). It's the only time i was ever there and i understand and i don't know how it operates - but i know your body's where it's at - but you're not therm and you're somewhere else. It's not a dream and it's not a vision - you're literally somewhere else. Bj: amen (audience laughs) amen Mb: and what had happened is that i stood before the lord and i was tellin dob and he was so intent the next day. I go, "dob, it happened, the lord stood. He told me the vision of the apostles that are coming." Well, dod was so intent, i said, what happened is i stood in this room and it had a cloud. It was a room only about 0 x 20 or 30. You know, it was a little room. It had clouds on the bottom, on the top and the walls. Dob goes, "uh huh, uh huh, that's the court room. Ok, go ahead, I've been there. Ok. Keep coin. Tell me what happened." He goes, "that's the court room." Is that the court room? Bj: that's the court room (laughter) Mb: he goes, "what happened?" I stood there and i was at the lord's left hand and it was not a dream, this was as real as life here and like i said, i don't know that realm. I'm not experienced enough in it to know what it is - but i know what it is not and i know it wash't a dream or a vision. I was standing there looking at the clouds all around and i said, "oh, lord." But then i could not look at him. There was something i could not look that way, there was a . I didn't want to look that way - you know - there's that - that drawing that makes you look the other way - anyway - and he rebuked me for something, i mean he called me "young man." He didn't call me even by name, he said, "young man" and the rebuke was in the realm of patience. He said, "if you are impatient." He was speaking so sternly to me, he said, "if you are impatient." He was speaking stern, he goes, ..YOU Will cause great turmoil and much trouble for many people." And i was looking straight ahead, and i remember experiencing something that i din't know that you could do, that bob had told me, you could think your own thoughts when you're in the spirit before the lord, you don't have necessarily godly thoughts when you're there and you would think that you would and i know the time when howard pittman visited - stood before the lord - that he thought contrary to god. I remember he said, "young man, if you are impatient, you will cause great harm and much turmoil to many many people." And i stood there and i remember thinking, "I'm not impatient.* (laughter) i remember thinking that, "i don't know why you're yelling at me." But i also remember, i know that's so obvious, but (sj laughter) would someone pull this ons girl in the middle and take her out, amway, it's my sister laughing, wherever she's at. I keep hearing it, but, so i remember thinking. "lord, I'm not impatient enought to get yelled at by the divine audible voice like this." I thought, i mean, i know that I'm impatient a little bit, but i mean, he was like sternly speaking like this. -..YOUNG Mani" and i remember thinking, "i don't agree with that." I remember thinking, i don't agree with what you're saying." (laughter) (dj laughter) but it wasn'tt funny then. But i said in my heart - and i said it out loud, you'd better agree, you're talking to god and i said, "yes sir, yes sir." I really did, i said, "yes sir, yes sir." And i remember thinking standing there in the third heavens in the court room, "i will sort it out later, it musty be right." You know you can think like that can't you? I said I'll figure it out later, i know it's right but i don't understand what he's talking about. I said, "yes sir, yes sir." And he said, "young man." And he said it to me three times, harshly and i was so wounded in my heart. I mean, i was so rebuked - i was ashamed and i was broken with sorrow that he said that so harshly to me. And then what happened is that i start falling so rapidly - i mean like - s-h-o-0- 0-m, it takes abut five or six seconds and fat! Down to my bed, right through the ceiling - i mean it was right through the walls and things - s-h-o-o-o-m - i hit my bed and it wash't like an instant i was there - i had knowledge of travel for five or six seconds. Have you had that? Bj: yes. Mb: and i was falling so rapidly and i was going like "a-h-h-h-h-h-." I was coming right down through the black sky. (laughter) i was gong .A-h-h-h-h-h-." I mean - it wasn't funny at the time - it's the most holy thing ever happened to~me - but i guess it's human for you guys (laughter) and i come right through the ceiling and i hit my bed and i looked for like a half a second, i goes s-h-o-0-o-m right back up again, i go, "a-h-h-h-h-h-" (laughter) and i goes right back up again - right through the ceiling again! I just saw my bed for one second and i went straight back up again and there i was - and i was in the court room again and oh - i was trembling because i was so - oh no and i was just like this - braced you know - to get it - it was a horrible feeling - i was so sick in my heart with sorrow because he rebuked me so sternly. He said, "much rearm and great turmoil to many many people if you are impatient." And i understood immediately the impatience was the of setting in leadership premature without permission, he said, "you cannot put" (he didn't tell me this, i knew this intuitively) "you cannot put leadership in that i do not say, because the leadership will divide and cause much division and many people will suffer great harm and i will hold you accountable for it." And i knew that intuitively though he didn't say it, i understand clearly what he was saying to me and he said, 'do not look by the natural eye - don't judge by the hearing of the ear, but by revelation only - can you put leadership in - or there'll be great harm and much turmoil to many many peoples in many places." I remember i said, "oh, god, i won't do this. I won't do this." But then I'm standing there again at his left hand again, i can't look up there - but as always - you don't want to look up there - i did not want to look in that director. That was for sure! And i looked over at the left and all of a sudden, there was just a great opening a vast opening there and there were golden chariots. There were golden chariots that appeared right there - and i remember looking at them and there was a whole line of them - it was the 35. I couldn't count 35. I just knew it was 20-30 - if i could only look at them and there was a whole line of men there. I couldn't look at any of their faces. I was staring at - like this. I didn't know what was going on. I just was looking straight forward and the lord, he called me, "young man." That's what he called me. Anyway - so what happens is this golden chariot, it appears - s-w-o-0-o-p and it comes right there. And the lord said, "get in it." And i under - i knew intuitively. Instantly - it was an apostolic ministry - though it's only the invitation. It was not a commission. The lord was not calling me an apostle. He said he was thinking. 'the days to come, if you're faithful, you have an opportunity in the grace of god to fill an apostolic calling if you're faithful to the full measure." I remember looking at it and i remember this may sound funny to some of you guys, but i want you to catch the thought of this - is that i had a part in my heart - i used to think this through and i planned it over and over. That when - cause i knew one day god would visit me face to face - i always knew that intuitively and i believe it could happen many times and i said, "lord." And i practiced it like for 3 or 4 years what i would say when i saw the lord. I mean this sounds funny. I'm sure some of you do it, too. I remember when god - when Elijah said to Elisha, "what do you warty" he said, "the double." I said, "man this is not a time to get false humility. I'm going for the double when he asks, i mean, I'm going for broke!" I remember the other verse that i always thought about, was the verse about David, when Nathan the prophet rebuked him, he said this to David, "and i would of given you many things if only you would of asked." How many of you can remember that particular verse? And I've read that verse and i thought of it and i said many things, i said, "I'm not going to de like David, I'm gonna ask every one of eh! Man. I'm ngt gonna have the lord at the end of my life say, ' i would have if only you would have asked."# I say, "uh uh." And i used to think in my bed all the time. "what would i say?" And i got this whole prayer just down, ready, that i was going to ask the lord for the double and for the many things. I'd planned that for several years. I'd rehearse it in prayer a dozen, i mean dozen, i mean hundreds of times and i remember here was my day of reckoning - my hour and the lord said, "get in the chariot." And i screamed, "n-o-g-g-o!" And i went the other way and i forgot everything that i planned all those years. I was screaming, i was screaming, "n-o-o-o-g-o-!" And he lord said, "get in the chariot." I remember i hated it because i saw the sin in my life in the presence of god and i saw the glory of the calling and i was screaming, "n-o-o-g-o-o-!" It was exactly the opposite of what i thought i would of done, i would gf thought i would of said, "give me two," and it didn't work that way at all, and i was weeping and i fell on the ground and the lord spoke to me sternly. Yet another time - and i think that there's sgmething prophetic about the weakness of my life because the lord has to - he said its been ordained for you, .'GET In the chariot," he said it harshly to me again. It was a rebuke, and the only thing i can interpet, there will de a time when i will want to draw back from thatwhich god calls, because of the dimension of pressure that will de involved in it. That's all i could undestand it to mean. I said, "n-o-o-o-oz* and he said, "it's ordained for you, get in the chariot." And i set in the chariot and i went shooting right into a blue sky and i knew as i was going up that it was revelation. He said, "I'm gong to dring you to divine revelation in the days to come." Bj: amen Mb: and then as i was go ing up , i barely peeked gver my shoulder and the next guy - i heard the chariot go s -w-o-o-o- p , you know, it' s like there was a whole line gf them, you know, kind of like that place where they have circus rides . You know? S-w-o-o-o-op and then i heard it go , "wh-g-o-o-o-m . " and i saw and i heard the guy, i peeked over my shoulder and saw him on the ground and he was screahing , ' n- o-o-o-o-g- o- i " " n- o-o-o-g-o-g- i " ( dj laughter ) exactly - he was screaming " no " and the lord , i could barely , barely hear him, it was like he was getting yelled at , but i couldn ' t hear the words . And as i was go ing up he was following me in the next one. The guy was going , ..AHHH " . You know every one of them - and the lord allowed me to know that that was the promise he promised that there would se an end-time measure of apostolic ministry that would come out of the fruit of the intercession. The prayer of the people to release champions and faithful ones in the earth. He said, "i will answer that prayer to this people though it won't se like the vessels that god calls." I feel real funny tellin you that because of my particular role in that - but i figured that it would se obvious in the next ten or fifteen years anyway. So like its a number of years down the road. But the lord said that, "I'm going to bring forth apostles - champions if the people will live in intercession and ask for then to cone." Bj: amen Mb: and so that was no small visitation in terms of the promise of what god said to this movement. I don't think the 35 will se located in one place. I think they will se spread out - but will se joined together deeply in the most intimate way. I don't believe the 35 will all se at the sane time. I'm not sure they'll se in one team. The way i see it several different teams emerging - but the revelation will se so crystal clear that there will be no missing as to when theteams should come and go. I believe those apostolic teams will have a number of apostles in them, but aren't of the same level as the 35. But i believe there will se those 35 apostles and the prophets and everyone of them will have prophetic ministries. That was the time sos came into the room in march '83. He said, .'I'VE Come to bring faith to this movement." And for eighteen months until that time - it was bizarre. The comets the angel gabriel, the storms that came om the appointed day. The pitman experience - all these bizarre experiences - it seemed like after '83 and '84 that the measure of them changed completely. They went from building faith ones - and they went to giving insight and direction. And after august 1984 - because i stood before the lord myself - it was like all the faith ones - the high level faith experiences quit happening. And the lord says, "now you have the word in yourself now and you will not go running after other movements and other places because i have spoken to you face to face." And so i believe after that eighteen month period there was a chapter that changed and they went, although there'd still been faith-building experiences, but those bizarre ones of '83 and '84 - they were unbelievable, weren't they? I mean, time and time again and the word that god gave sos was, "until you believe that these signs will happen until this people believe." And then i believe that was a sign and then everyone else had different experiences and different levels of them. But i know that at that time i owned, from the voice of god - face to face - (but i never saw his face) but i mean standing next to him, i owned the word myself and it was not just a matter of me believing him. It was amazing how the revelation turned after that tine. It went from faith to directional and perspective. It started building perspective about the future instead of faith - not to go ahead. And so that was related to the august 3rd vision of apostolic ministry coming forth. I believe that that kind of thing is going to happen also in other places as well. That was pretty heavy duty as far as i can - that to me is the most major revelation to me specifically - even more than the healing one of may '83 that i told you in the last tape. This is the fifth tape, right? This is tape #s. There are 5 ci) hour tapes in the whole thing. We got in over our heads - didn't we? Tell them about the error in your life. Ho\ the measure of error that you have and the measure of accuracy because i want people to just understand a little about that. Bj: well, I've had a lot of major error in my life. I remember once that i got into pride. Every time i get into pride, soy, papa sure knows how to pop my bubble. And i got into pride and called a church into a three-day fast and told them that certain things was going happen and they went into a three-day fast. It was terrible. And after that three-day fast - it was terrible and the spirit didn't even show up that night. The lord - Mb: you called people to a fast? Bj: i sure did and it wasn't of the lord. It was of my pride. I thought you could force the lord to do something through fasting. Soy, i found out real quick you couldn't. So there's a bunch of old saints that was ready to stone me. And so i was ready to get out of there and i went home like any good prophet and i resigned. And i bawled and i squalled and i finally went to sleep and when i went to sleep the lord come and took hold of my hand. And i was about like this little girl right here Mb: hi, Deborah Bj: little Debbie Mb: Deborah Bj: only i was in lot worse shape because i had a pamper on and i had really messed it good. It was running down both of my legs. And the lord had ahold of my hand and i was a bawlin and a squallin. He took me into that courtroom that mike was in. He just dropped me right on the middle of the floor. He just walked over to the side. I was layin there throwin a fit in the middle of the floor in that kind of mess. And i thought, "boy, I'll get killed." It's like i could see it up here, but i was down there. Oh, I'm doin that in the presence of the lord - I'll get killed. And i heard a voice sorta speak, puzzled i can say, "what happened to bob?" And my counselor spoke up and said, "he had an accident." Mb: spoke the wrong words. Bj: yeah. He had an accident. He messed his pamper real bad. And i think, "oh, here it comes." And then i really got a surprise. A gentle tender voice said, "that boy needs more insurance. Let him know we've got him covered from them accidents. Give him a higher insurance policy." That wasn't what i was loomis for because i just resigned. "clean him up - tell him to go back into the body and prophesy twice as much. This time, he'll do what I'll tell him to." I think, "i don't want to go back. I don't want to ever go back to that body." And so it was like the angels come and changed my pamper and washed me up and the next thing i knew i was back in bed and boy i come awake and man, i mean sweat was rollin down. Mb: i have one more part. The lord gave you a swat and said, "get back in there." Bj: no, he didn't do that. But i was really sweating. I said, "oh no, I've gotta go back tomorrow night." And all day i was saying, "i ain't coin, i ain't goin," but when it come dark, viola and i, we went. But i sure made sure that the song service had started before i went in. You know all of them was busy and i sorta shuck in the side. And the praise service was nearly. Over and the spirit of lord fell on me and he said, "bring this word." Man, it was a strange one and i thought, "why not, what have i got to loose? I've got no reputation left anyway." And the word was that, "I'm coin to give a man lungs that has none, tell him to come forward now." A man in the congregation got up in the back and said, "the lord told me today that today was my day that I'm going to get the lungs." The man came forward, we prayed for him and all of sudden he could breath. He had to stop two or three times comin up there to get his breath. We prayed for him and he could breathe and he could walk good. He said, "what am i going to do, I've got an appointment with the veteran's tomorrow. I've only got a half of a lung over here. This one's been deflated here for nine years." And so i told him, "anything the lord's dome for you will hold up under the test." He went to the hospital. They tested his lungs. He had two normal lungs. I found out - i 010897 do these things rebelliously - i done them ignorantly and immaturely. I found out that my papa's got a good insurance policy on me. As long as i stay out of rebellious sin. Mb: so there has been errors. There's been a number of errors. Bj: oh, hundreds of them Mb: the lord will correct them? Bj: absolutely Mb: so, what do you do if there's errors. Will you wait until it's confirmed. It says in ii cob. 13:1 - "every fact must be confirmed by two or three witnesses." Bj: yes Mb: so when dos gives the words - i mean I've heard 5,000 literal prophesies either to us or to other people. I've heard that many. The one we're sharing or the ones that the lord talked to him and talked to one of us independant of him. That's the part, the ones we get excited so there's two witnesses. Bj: amen Mb: so when he comes and just tells us something - that's not good enough. We have to "have another something outside of his control and his influence before we can hang on to it. Bj: yes Mb: okay, there's two other things I'd like to touch on - intercession and worship - anything the lord's told you about - that Monday. And the other on about the immorality in the leadership. Bj: ah, the lord is calling for a house of prayer and a house of intercession to cone into being. It will de open 24 hours a day to where the saints of god, whenever they get the call, they can go there and they can begin to pray. The praise that will de there. You can go there and de ministered to. You can go there and join in intercession. It will de open night and day. It will de the place that the saints of god will just literally go there and pour themselves out to the lord like a love offering. And when this body increases to 25,000 that will conk into being. Intercession and praise will de there 24 hours a day. Men will de going in at 2300 at night - 4300 - all the way around. Certain people that need help will de going there and they will receive the ministry of the song- bird prophecy. There will de praise there. There will de the song- birds there. There will de prophesy sung to meet individual need. The saints of god. The missionaries and those that's on the road they can fly in there any hour of the night and de ministered to. There will de signs and wonders that are continually there. And the intercession for those that have a need at that tine will de there continually. Mb: I'm going to de talking more Monday about the next couple steps we're going to de doing in that - it will start in a different location. We believe the lord is going to give us a building in the city that won't de under Kansas city fellowship. Its gonna, it gonna de called house of prayer. Bj: amen Mb: the lord's given us a vision how to mobilize and rally saints and leaders from all places to bind together in this - but that is Monday I'm going to talk to you about. It won't de going 24 hours a day until down the road. We're going to see it going more especially now across the city, the worship teams, the dancers and so on. Bj: another thing the lord has told me. "those at the top - they don't have one error. You don't get the grace of sin in one time. Sin is no obstacle or debate to you. There is no choice. The testing that the lord has put much of the body through - if you go into immorality in any way you disqualify yourself from ever skin at the top of the leadership. You don't disqualify yourself from heir in the body or forming the ministry of the body, but especially one act of adultery that is a sin against the family of god and adultery in the body of Christ is a brother and sister latin together which 8rings incest - the fruit of incest is always insanity. This is a sin against the body - this separates the body - it hurts people. Those that to do that have disqualified themselves any way of ever rein in the top leadership of any movement. One time, one error in any of these fields and you disqualify yourself. So if you're coin to be in top leadership, there's no option for you to slide or fall one time. Immorality mustn't be there. Also another thing i saw at this time, i saw that the great judgements would begin upon the face of the earth. I was walking down the place and people were putting gold in my pockets. And they were fillin them down and i was saying, "boy, that's the lord." And the lord spoke to me and said, .'GET Tdat gold out of your pockets." "lord!" "get that gold out of your pockets, cause look behind you." I looked behind me and there cone a great storm and a great flood was acomin. So i started dumpin the gold out. And the flood came and hit me and i reached up and i had a shepherd's cane and i hooked it onto a rail. And the water hit me and just slapped us on a safe place. And the lord said, "aren't you glad you had the gold out of your pockets? If you had the gold in your pockets and when the trouble came and the flood came you would have drowned. They would have weighted you down." So men's gonna give you gold in your pockets - don't let that be your gold. Mb: iwm gonna comment on both those two things. Number 1. He said that he came and told us this from the beginning in '83 and '84. He said that, "one act of adultery after you've been commissioned to leadership in the movement, in this particular movement." I don't know if that is for every other movement. The lord didn't tell you that, did he? Bj: yep, it's going to be the top - that's the requirement. Mb: but, in all movements7 Bj: all the movements that's gonna be of him - Mb: good, i never had heard that specific part but i receive that. He said that, after they receive their commission - now that's talking about people who stumbled in parts of their life - once you receive the commission to leadership in the movement - in that major movement one of these twelve major movements - he said, "and you're in top leadership, though you may still serve even in the ministry - you may still have signs and wonders and `even responsible, but you'll never be top government again. He said, ..WARN This group of young men." The lord said, "it's not permissable one time to do that and have the same level of responsiblity." That'8 not the same thing to say you won't have a ministry or an impact or no anointing. We're not saying that. But it's very serious. And he came and he's warned us that three or four times. The lord cam e^gain and said, "tell them again. One time and they are disqualified from the top leadership, in terms of the gold, he was talking about the gold from the anointing if men take gold from the anointing, when judgement comes, and it's a time to make essential decisions, the gold will weigh them down, their heart will be corrupted by that gold and they won't be able to avoid the flood waters and get to the high lands, the high place in the spirit, the gold in their pockets from the anointing will end up destroying them. That was a parable. He said, "tell them to be faithful with the gold, keep their pockets empty of gold - amen - that's the end here. 80, let's just stand and give thanks to god.